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Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:03 am to Sam Quint
Tony Perkis
Those kids are fat and need better rolemodels, their parents failed them. The fat camp failed them. Sure he is a dick head but at least he attempted to achieve the goal of a fat camp.
Those kids are fat and need better rolemodels, their parents failed them. The fat camp failed them. Sure he is a dick head but at least he attempted to achieve the goal of a fat camp.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:03 am to MorbidTheClown
Same w/ the principal in Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Ferris was a POS.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:05 am to CocomoLSU
Staff Sergeant Barnes in Platoon.
He wanted to win the war and do whatever necessary to do it. He saw the politics and constant lack of support plus the shite he went through just harden his resolve. There are no friendly civilians in time of war.
He wanted to win the war and do whatever necessary to do it. He saw the politics and constant lack of support plus the shite he went through just harden his resolve. There are no friendly civilians in time of war.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:05 am to Ace Midnight
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Gul Dukat (DS9) was a patriot and, in fact, was driven insane by his intense patriotism. Most of what he did was well-intentioned to further the interests of Cardassia. Setting aside his mental health issues, there was a genuine person inside all of that. A genuine person who was capable of, and sometimes did, good things.
Since you went into the Star Trek Weeds here are a few "villains" that were right:
Sloan: The OG section 31 Operative
The Federation needs people like them to protect them from themselves
Seska
Had Voyager crew listened to her they would have used the Caretakers Array to return home (which is supported by the Prime Directive)
Admiral Pressman:
He was absolutely correct in violating the Treaty to create the Phasing Cloak.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:06 am to CocomoLSU
Exhibit A: This face.
I rest my case.
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:17 am to H-Town Tiger
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So were the guards at Auschwitz
Well, I think we are supposed to think about those folks when we are presented Cardassian stories. OP said "defend", not justify.
That is a subtle difference, but an important one.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:27 am to CocomoLSU
Hans Landa......was just doing his job 
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:27 am to CocomoLSU
Hans Landa......was just doing his job
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:28 am to LSUPERMAN
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Staff Sergeant Barnes in Platoon.
He wanted to win the war and do whatever necessary to do it. He saw the politics and constant lack of support plus the shite he went through just harden his resolve. There are no friendly civilians in time of war.
I thought about this one too and almost put it, but i just couldnt justify two outright executions, one of them being an American. i love Barnes though.
yall talkin about killin? yall experts?
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:34 am to Esquire
Axe from Backdraft. It’s his fight against corrupt Chicago govt officials who are in bed with contractors profiting from firefighter deaths and closing down fire departments in the process to turn into community centers so they all make money. He also goes out of his way to make sure the fires don’t spread/rage out of control to harm the common man. Axe is essentially fighting an early BlackRock in this movie.
Deep down Bull knows Axe was doing the right thing to protect their department and brotherhood
Deep down Bull knows Axe was doing the right thing to protect their department and brotherhood This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 9:40 am
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:36 am to CocomoLSU
I want to defend Negan. Just because I like the character.
But, I can't get past the Abraham and Glen thing.
But, I can't get past the Abraham and Glen thing.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:46 am to Snarfin
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Hans Landa......was just doing his job
Nah, Hans enjoyed his job. He’s fricking lying to the Basterds when he has them at the end and is actually telling the Farmer the truth that he loves his job and reputation and brags that he’s even worse than Heydrich, which is a hell of a threat, even if he says it in a manner of just talking about the weather.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:50 am to molsusports
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The Rock mentioned yet
I don't think Hummel was actually a villain.
The mercenaries he hired were the actual villains and the ones that actually wanted to kill innocents for money
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:00 am to Ace Midnight
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OP said "defend", not justify. That is a subtle difference, but an important one.
Fair enough but that defense does also apply to Amon Goeth and Hans Landa
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:31 am to H-Town Tiger
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Fair enough but that defense does also apply to Amon Goeth and Hans Landa
To a degree. Clearly Dukat is based largely on Boomer notions of what a concentration camp commandant would have been like, in real life (not a 2D cartoon). And so well done that it accomplishes (via science fiction, where it is acceptable) the goal of humanizing proxies for Nazis.
Schindler was a "Nazi". He was a 4-dimensional human being with a redemption story. Amon Goeth does not have that sort of redemption arc.
Speer was a Nazi. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi. Josef Kramer was a Nazi. Do we evaluate them all the same? Regardless of the conditions? Regardless of ruthlessness? Regardless of any sort of redemption factors? Is there a spectrum of "evil" that matters?
(Isn't this the point of this thread? Context/perspective of villainy?)
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:03 am to red sox fan 13
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Chef Skinner from Ratatouille. I fully concur with him that rats are fricking gross and I don’t want them in my restaurant, much less in the kitchen. I don’t think he was a bad guy for that.
I’ve had this exact thought. I think most normal people have thought this while watching the movie. Just imagine if this movie was live action and not animated. Wouldn’t be so sweet to see actual nasty rats in the kitchen.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:05 am to StansberryRules
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Ursula from the Little Mermaid
She's essentially a loan shark who outmaneuvers everyone straight up, both Ariel and Triton come across as complete morons and she plays them like a fiddle.
They flat out murder her at the end because they are all mad she outsmarted them.
In the original story concept for the film, she was Ariel's aunt and Triton's little sister. They kept that plot line for the Broadway show. When their parents died, their ocean kingdom was supposed to be split between the two of them, but Triton took everything. Ursula tried to take back what was hers and ended up getting banished. That explains why she wanted revenge on her brother. She really had no beef with Ariel, and even says so in the film. She uses Ariel to get to Triton.
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:13 am to CocomoLSU
Jenny was a mentally and physically abused child that wanted to get out of her small podunk town and away from her childhood trauma. She had a friend with the mind of a child that was mentally retarded that she did not have romantic feelings for, obviously.
Once she got past her trauma, she found out that she was going to die.
She did the logical, selfless thing and provided for her young child: she married her fabulously wealthy retarded friend who loved her and would care for her child with love.
Once she got past her trauma, she found out that she was going to die.
She did the logical, selfless thing and provided for her young child: she married her fabulously wealthy retarded friend who loved her and would care for her child with love.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 11:20 am
Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:22 am to Ace Midnight
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Speer was a Nazi. Werner Von Braun was a Nazi. Josef Kramer was a Nazi. Do we evaluate them all the same?
Werner Von Braun was much nastier than our revisionist history has led us to believe. He once hung the five slowest Jews in his weapons factory to show the others this is what will happen to you if you remotely frick up. The Simon Wiesenthal Center has said that if Von Braun were still alive that they’d prosecute him for Crimes Against Humanity.
I do think it would be a very funny movie if you did a parody on the Jewish scientists reaction to the Paperclip scumbags coming in and leading NASA. That must have been extremely, extremely uncomfortable for the Jewish scientists who worked with literal Nazis to get us on the Moon.
Here is a picture of NASA’s former #2 with a Nazi dueling scar between JFK and LBJ:
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