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re: Daredevil is Boring
Posted on 5/13/15 at 11:49 am to Fenwick86
Posted on 5/13/15 at 11:49 am to Fenwick86
I agree. I think it's a superhero show for people who usually don't like superhero shows. I find most of that stuff to be little more than a continuous parade of super fast action sequences. Then again I'm probably older than the average poster here. 
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Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:46 pm to Baloo
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Modern Batman is based upon the rewrite of Daredevil. He's the Batman-clone who got the retcon first, and when it proved successful, they gave him the more iconic character to work on.
Yup.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:50 pm to Speedy G
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And Foggy is not a good actor.
Fulton Reed is about to kick your fricking arse.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:52 pm to KosmoCramer
I just kind of roll my eyes Everytime they imply some sort of romantic feelings from Karen to him.
Captain skinny fat isn't pulling that chick
Captain skinny fat isn't pulling that chick
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:55 pm to wildtigercat93
I thought they did a good job of making it plausible but awkward.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 12:58 pm to Freauxzen
Great message for the world of skinny fats
"You can get the hot girl....if she's emotionally wounded from an attempt on her life and you give her a job"
"You can get the hot girl....if she's emotionally wounded from an attempt on her life and you give her a job"
Posted on 5/13/15 at 1:55 pm to wildtigercat93
Well, Foggy doesn't get the girl. Karen and Foggy are platonic friends throughout, though it is clear Foggy wishes it were more but it ain't happening. Which actually was one of the best parts of the show. The episode in which Foggy takes Karen out all night so she doesn't have to go home and DOESN'T TRY TO SLEEP WITH HER was a welcome change. Hey, guys, try and not take sexual advantage of the emotionally fragile women you're friends with when they are having a really bad night.
Also, the Foggy/Matt dynamic is one of the best things about the show, particularly their "origin" episode. I'm a huge fan of Foggy on the show. I think he is one of my favorite things about the show, outside of Owsley's constant snarky commentary.
I do agree with whoever said its a superhero show for people who don't like superheroes, but that's also sort of how the DD comic is structured. It's always been more grounded and less fantastical than the rest of the Marvel universe, post-Miller.
Also, the Foggy/Matt dynamic is one of the best things about the show, particularly their "origin" episode. I'm a huge fan of Foggy on the show. I think he is one of my favorite things about the show, outside of Owsley's constant snarky commentary.
I do agree with whoever said its a superhero show for people who don't like superheroes, but that's also sort of how the DD comic is structured. It's always been more grounded and less fantastical than the rest of the Marvel universe, post-Miller.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:16 pm to Baloo
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Well, Foggy doesn't get the girl. Karen and Foggy are platonic friends throughout, though it is clear Foggy wishes it were more but it ain't happening. Which actually was one of the best parts of the show. The episode in which Foggy takes Karen out all night so she doesn't have to go home and DOESN'T TRY TO SLEEP WITH HER was a welcome change. Hey, guys, try and not take sexual advantage of the emotionally fragile women you're friends with when they are having a really bad night.
Bingo.
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I think he is one of my favorite things about the show, outside of Owsley's constant snarky commentary.
The show succeeded at giving us two major characters to watch, Kingpin and Daredevil, both fantastic, but casting around them a pretty colorful and fun group of people. Owlsey and Wesley were great, Foggy and Karen both worked well, even watching Vanessa's rise/fall was believable. And Madame Gao was mysterious and fun.
The weakest link was probably Dawson, but only because of screen time.
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I do agree with whoever said its a superhero show for people who don't like superheroes, but that's also sort of how the DD comic is structured. It's always been more grounded and less fantastical than the rest of the Marvel universe, post-Miller.
And I think writers on DD, sans Waid (I liked Waid's run), have done a better job really writing to that style well than post-Miller writers have done on Batman outside of a select few. Daredevil, as a character, has been remarkably consistent for a long time now.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:21 pm to Freauxzen
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The show succeeded at giving us two major characters to watch, Kingpin and Daredevil, both fantastic
I'm gonna have to disagree with Kingpin just a little bit. The Kingpin on the show is not the same Kingpin from most of the comics I have read with him in it. The show gave him some weird, "Slingblade" type feel to his character or something. It kind of bugged me.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:32 pm to Bamatab
quote:I'm with you. I love the show, but I was not a fan of Kingpin. He kind of acted like an angry child a lot of the time. Not really what I expected or wanted.
I'm gonna have to disagree with Kingpin just a little bit. The Kingpin on the show is not the same Kingpin from most of the comics I have read with him in it. The show gave him some weird, "Slingblade" type feel to his character or something. It kind of bugged me.
I also was not a fan of Foggy. Him and Karen's awkward at times relationship didn't work well for me.
I was hoping they would dive into a Matt and Karen relationship a little more. I loved the first episode when Matt and Karen were in the living room together talking. They had great on screen chemistry and I was hoping they would dive into that relationship a little more. Instead they go completely away from it and bring in Rosario Dawson. Maybe they will go back to Matt and Karen soon, hopefully.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:41 pm to Birdie King
All the tv version of superhero shows are boring.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:48 pm to abellsujr
I agree that this Kingpin is not the one in the comics. I further agree that he is emotionally stunted and childish (he even orders a kid's dessert at the Italian restaurant). However, I really liked the changes to Kingpin. I thought they made him a better, and more interesting character. It also made him a more explicitly counterpoint to Matt Murdock, and how they related to their violent fathers.
One of the big things the series goes into is that Fisk has all of this money and power to buy the finest things, but he lacks sophistication to appreciate those finer things. He wears the same suit. He wears his father's cufflinks. He makes a plain omelet with all of his fancy cooking stuff. Wilson Fisk is a pretty simple man, and still very much that child staring at the wall. He doesn't become KINGPIN until Vanessa comes along. It is Vanessa who truly makes him the criminal mastermind we know in the comics.
Vanessa broadens his tastes but also gives him the veneer of sophistication. She completes that missing part of him. He doesn't become a public face without her pushing it. That was her plan. The show is setting up that the true power of the Kingpin is not Fisk, but Vanessa (which IS textual in Brubaker's DD)
But I really, really like Foggy because he is an actual person. And honestly, in the comics, he sort of sucks. The show makes him far more competent and makes him a good foil to Murdock. And I think he's far more heroic than the titular character. Everyone likes to think they are a badass like Murdock. You're not. You're Foggy.
ETA: Also, I don't know in what world does Matt not have tremendous on screen chemistry with Rosario Dawson. Their scenes are electric.
One of the big things the series goes into is that Fisk has all of this money and power to buy the finest things, but he lacks sophistication to appreciate those finer things. He wears the same suit. He wears his father's cufflinks. He makes a plain omelet with all of his fancy cooking stuff. Wilson Fisk is a pretty simple man, and still very much that child staring at the wall. He doesn't become KINGPIN until Vanessa comes along. It is Vanessa who truly makes him the criminal mastermind we know in the comics.
Vanessa broadens his tastes but also gives him the veneer of sophistication. She completes that missing part of him. He doesn't become a public face without her pushing it. That was her plan. The show is setting up that the true power of the Kingpin is not Fisk, but Vanessa (which IS textual in Brubaker's DD)
But I really, really like Foggy because he is an actual person. And honestly, in the comics, he sort of sucks. The show makes him far more competent and makes him a good foil to Murdock. And I think he's far more heroic than the titular character. Everyone likes to think they are a badass like Murdock. You're not. You're Foggy.
ETA: Also, I don't know in what world does Matt not have tremendous on screen chemistry with Rosario Dawson. Their scenes are electric.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:51 pm to nicholastiger
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All the tv version of superhero shows are boring.
kinda agree. I loved Daredevil, and I've been watching Arrow and The Flash for a while now but havent tuned in to the CW shows lately because they are growing stale on me. Especially now since i've seen how good they can be on Netflix
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:57 pm to Baloo
I finished the season last night. I enjoyed it. I agree it was slower to get to the action than most other shows but I was strangely ok with that. Instead of a quick montage and instant superhero there was a bit of development. It was refreshing.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 2:58 pm to Baloo
quote:Yea, the last scene in episode 8 I think it was, Fisk made a public statement to the media. I did like how his character developed over the season to that point. I liked how Vanessa did try to develop him into a powerful public force. The problem I had came after that point. His development seemed to end there and I felt at times he was too childish in the way he acted. I'm sure we will see more of that change over time in the series so I'm not worried. I just think D'Onofrio could probably hold back some of the childish emotional reactions a little bit.
Wilson Fisk is a pretty simple man, and still very much that child staring at the wall. He doesn't become KINGPIN until Vanessa comes along. It is Vanessa who truly makes him the criminal mastermind we know in the comics.
quote:I just wasn't feeling it. Maybe I was too busy rooting for Matt and Karen to hook up to notice.
Also, I don't know in what world does Matt not have tremendous on screen chemistry with Rosario Dawson. Their scenes are electric.
This post was edited on 5/13/15 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:01 pm to Bamatab
Yeah kingpin was really bad
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:17 pm to BulldogXero
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Does it get better?
Then its not for you. Its not slam bam bang pew pew kill kill type stuff.
It does get better and the wife and I are hooked.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:20 pm to abellsujr
I always root for Rosario Dawson, who is one of Hollywood's most perfect people. I'm thrilled she's likely going to be on every Marvel Netflix series.
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:22 pm to Baloo
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But I really, really like Foggy because he is an actual person
I liked Foggy's character, but holy god the little Bash Brother is terrible at times at acting
Posted on 5/13/15 at 3:23 pm to Baloo
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He doesn't become KINGPIN until Vanessa comes along. It is Vanessa who truly makes him the criminal mastermind we know in the comics.
It seemed to me that Fisk was doing just fine until Vanessa came along, and Fisk got sloppy and stepped out of the shadows. His stepping out of the shadows is what ultimately caused his plans to fall apart.
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The show is setting up that the true power of the Kingpin is not Fisk, but Vanessa (which IS textual in Brubaker's DD)
I must not have read the comics with his version of Kingpin. The ones I'm familiar with always portrayed Vanessa as being the one that gets kidnapped or presumed killed or something, and again leads to Kingpin's downfall.
But on the show, Fisk never did evolve out of his childish, psychological issues that he started with see how his last scene is him staring at at blank wall.
I liked what they did with the other characters like Matt, Stick (who I thought they did a great job with), and I even liked Foggy. But Kingpin just bugged the heck out of me.
And when is Karen gonna turn into a porno star? That needs to happen next year.
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