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Classic wrestling doc series "Tales From the Territories" coming Oct. 4
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:00 pm
Been waiting for someone to do a true deep dive into the old territories while many guys are still alive.
Same guys that did "Dark Side of the Ring" on Vice.
Trailer
Epsidodes featured, according to Jim Cornette:
Memphis Wrestling
Kaufman vs. Lawler
AWA
Stampede Wrestling
Championship Wrestling from Florida
Mid-Atlantic Wrestling (Jim Crockett Promotions)
Polynesian Pro Wrestling
WCCW
Mid-South Wrestling
Portland Wrestling
...
Highlights are obviously going to be Mid South, Memphis/Kaufmann, AWA, and Crockett, but all should be great.
Same guys that did "Dark Side of the Ring" on Vice.
Trailer
Epsidodes featured, according to Jim Cornette:
Memphis Wrestling
Kaufman vs. Lawler
AWA
Stampede Wrestling
Championship Wrestling from Florida
Mid-Atlantic Wrestling (Jim Crockett Promotions)
Polynesian Pro Wrestling
WCCW
Mid-South Wrestling
Portland Wrestling
...
Highlights are obviously going to be Mid South, Memphis/Kaufmann, AWA, and Crockett, but all should be great.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:35 pm to Jack Ruby
I cannot wait for the Mid-South episode. It’s still the measuring stick for me when it comes to quality pro wrestling, and it was home to a number of legitimate athletes, tough guys, and bad-arse dudes.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:50 pm to Jack Ruby
Old UWF was entertaining. And the birthplace (if I remember correctly) of Sting and The Ultimate Warrior. Wish they had covered that.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 10:01 pm to Hoodie
Mid South was produced Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Ted DiBiase, JYD, Dr Death Steve Williams, Big Boss Man, Ernie Ladd, The Midnight Express, Buddy Landel, Mr. Wrestling II, Magnum T.A., The Rock’ n’ Roll Express, Kamala, Butch Read, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, snd numerous others.
Unreal for such a largely rural territory in the south.
Unreal for such a largely rural territory in the south.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 10:40 pm to Jack Ruby
I will watch them all but look forward the WCCW episode. The Von Erich story is still unbelievable this many years later.
Posted on 10/2/22 at 10:59 pm to Jack Ruby
Very true, Jack Ruby. Orndorff, Jake the Snake, One Man Gang, Hercules, Shawn Michaels…
It’s unparalleled in creating stars. Mid-South is still as good as wrestling’s ever been.
It’s unparalleled in creating stars. Mid-South is still as good as wrestling’s ever been.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 5:37 am to Jack Ruby
My favorite guy on Midsouth was announcer Reisor Bowden.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:19 am to Twenty 49
I may check this out, but only the ones that interest me the most. Between this, Dark Side, and the docuseries on A&E, I can only take so much wrestling docs.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:19 am to Jack Ruby
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Mid South was produced Jim Ross, Jim Cornette, Ted DiBiase, JYD, Dr Death Steve Williams, Big Boss Man, Ernie Ladd, The Midnight Express, Buddy Landel, Mr. Wrestling II, Magnum T.A., The Rock’ n’ Roll Express, Kamala, Butch Read, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, snd numerous others.
Unreal for such a largely rural territory in the south.
The secret to the Southern territories is that they swapped talent among themselves. Paul Orndorf, as an example, started in Florida but Eddie Graham sent him to Memphis to get him polished. He learned the basics there, then went to Mid-Atlantic (Paul in Mid-Atlantic is a trip to watch, he's thirty pounds lighter and his finisher was back flipping out of a body drop and then hitting a bridging side suplex). Then he beefed up and had a huge run in Mid-South.
You had all these guys circulating across the various promotions and picking up different styles.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 7:53 am to Arksulli
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The secret to the Southern territories is that they swapped talent among themselves
Yeah, where I live we had Georgia Championship Wrestling and while we had some regulars like Mr Wrestling II, Tommy Rich, Buzz Sawyer, Superstar, Stan Hanson and a few others we would also get some come through for a short while like Orndorf, Harley Race, and even Ric Flair occasionally.
It was a pretty cool time for the sport back then
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:02 am to FredBear
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Yeah, where I live we had Georgia Championship Wrestling
I'm jealous. Where I lived I got to enjoy GCW for about a year, and it was great... and then the WWF took over the time slot on TBS and that show stunk on ice.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:43 am to Arksulli
I still don't know how Vince didn't get beat to hell or killed over his predatory, invasive practices during the territory takeovers.
He would literally call up local affiliates thousands of miles from NY-metro area and pay them boat loads of $$ NOT to air the local territory wrestling in their traditional timeslots, and instead put in WWF or something else unrelated in the slot.
Without TV, he knew most of the Territories would fold... Which theybl did.
He also essentially had a monopoly on PPV throughout the 1980s. It was unreal how dirty he got.
He would literally call up local affiliates thousands of miles from NY-metro area and pay them boat loads of $$ NOT to air the local territory wrestling in their traditional timeslots, and instead put in WWF or something else unrelated in the slot.
Without TV, he knew most of the Territories would fold... Which theybl did.
He also essentially had a monopoly on PPV throughout the 1980s. It was unreal how dirty he got.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 12:20 pm to Jack Ruby
I grew up in Memphis in the 80s and my dad frequently took me and my buddies to Monday night wrestling at the mid-south coliseum. Those are some of my favorite memories. On one particular night me and my younger brother were down ringside screaming and yelling at Bill Dundee, he turned to us and spit a huge lugie on my brother. He was 8 years old, lol. Good times
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:17 pm to Jack Ruby
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Mid-South Wrestling
Growing up in the late 70s and into the 80s in North La, that promotion was fricking legendary. Every young male knew the names of JYD, Mr. Olympia, The Grappler, Paul Orndorff, Ted DiBiase, Magnum T.A., etc.
I can still remember watching Duggan, dressed in a gorilla costume, interfere to help take the tag titles from JYD & Mr. Olympia.
Good times.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:17 pm to Jack Ruby
Yes and no.
Read the book by Tim Hornbaker, Death Of The Territories, for more details but Vince did a mix of partnerships and predatory acts to get what he wanted.
He partnered with or bought out the ownerships of Los Angeles (Mike LaBell), Toronto (Jack Tunney), Calgary (Stu Hart), Montreal (International Wrestling / Dino Bravo), Georgia, Houston (Paul Boesch), and other cities / territories. Granted, Georgia was a hostile one but he bought over 50% ownership from Jim Barnett, Paul Jones, and the Brisco Brothers.
A lot of the opposition he ran against the AWA was definitely predatory but Verne was completely unable to get out of his rut and change his philosophies to compete.
Read the book by Tim Hornbaker, Death Of The Territories, for more details but Vince did a mix of partnerships and predatory acts to get what he wanted.
He partnered with or bought out the ownerships of Los Angeles (Mike LaBell), Toronto (Jack Tunney), Calgary (Stu Hart), Montreal (International Wrestling / Dino Bravo), Georgia, Houston (Paul Boesch), and other cities / territories. Granted, Georgia was a hostile one but he bought over 50% ownership from Jim Barnett, Paul Jones, and the Brisco Brothers.
A lot of the opposition he ran against the AWA was definitely predatory but Verne was completely unable to get out of his rut and change his philosophies to compete.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:22 pm to Jack Ruby
With regard to PPV, he got dirty but Crockett and Dusty had their own issues that wouldn’t have helped matters if the shows got full clearance.
Starrcade 87 and Bunkhouse Stampede 88 were subpar shows. Jim Cornette jokes that the latter actually being shown widely would have been more damaging to the product than it losing out to Royal Rumble on USA.
Vince blocking PPV caused a lot of cash flow issues for Crockett but he and his team were making a lot of stupid moves such as buying up territories in Florida, Central States, UWF, etc, and doing tons of TV tapings to fulfill those contracts in hopes of selling ads rather than doing arena shows in the Carolinas and Virginia which would draw big money.
It was pointed out that running Gaffney, SC, may only gross about $50K but you don’t have the high building costs or transportation costs of running there that you would on a $100K show in Los Angeles.
Starrcade 87 and Bunkhouse Stampede 88 were subpar shows. Jim Cornette jokes that the latter actually being shown widely would have been more damaging to the product than it losing out to Royal Rumble on USA.
Vince blocking PPV caused a lot of cash flow issues for Crockett but he and his team were making a lot of stupid moves such as buying up territories in Florida, Central States, UWF, etc, and doing tons of TV tapings to fulfill those contracts in hopes of selling ads rather than doing arena shows in the Carolinas and Virginia which would draw big money.
It was pointed out that running Gaffney, SC, may only gross about $50K but you don’t have the high building costs or transportation costs of running there that you would on a $100K show in Los Angeles.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:34 pm to Jack Ruby
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I still don't know how Vince didn't get beat to hell or killed over his predatory, invasive practices during the territory takeovers.
And then cried and boohoo'd that mean ole Ted Turner and dubya cee dubya was putting him out of business, to the point they'd sue at every opportunity.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:40 pm to BCLA
I think Vince picked his spots on a lot of that.
Verne Gagne and Bob Geigel weren’t going to do that kind of thing.
Harley Race, who had money in the Missouri territory though? He supposedly pulled a gun on Hogan in that timeframe when they came to promote in Kansas City or St Louis.
Verne Gagne and Bob Geigel weren’t going to do that kind of thing.
Harley Race, who had money in the Missouri territory though? He supposedly pulled a gun on Hogan in that timeframe when they came to promote in Kansas City or St Louis.
Posted on 10/3/22 at 3:05 pm to IIxxBREADxxII
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look forward the WCCW episode. The Von Erich story is still unbelievable this many years later.
RIP Sportatorium
ETA: don't sleep on Stampede Wrestling. A ton of talent came out of there also.
This post was edited on 10/3/22 at 3:07 pm
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