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Civil War scenes in Good Bad and Ugly
Posted on 8/4/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 7:35 pm
What is the geographical location of these civil war battles - New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma ? Although this is one of my favorite movies, the historical accuracy of these scenes is suspect and distracting.
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Posted on 8/4/18 at 7:38 pm to haikarate
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What is the geographical location of these civil war battles
Don't overthink it.
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New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma ?
Since the film is technically a spaghetti western filmed mostly in Spain with a largely Italian cast, let's just say, "Texas."
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he historical accuracy of these scenes is suspect and distracting.
Again, don't overthink it. The film is not about the Civil War - it's about three cats chasing the same prize. The Civil War is more like a prop than a key element.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:08 pm to haikarate
Louisiana
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:09 pm to haikarate
There were Civil War battles in many of the southwestern states. They were, in general, much smaller and less frequent affairs than those in the East, but they did occur.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:11 pm to haikarate
There was myth and folklore about Confederates running for the border with Confederate gold. In real life, some ex Confederates actually made it as far as Brazil, though there was never any big money cache to stage a second revolution. 1960's comic books also played with this theme, like Moebius's Blueberry series.
There are parts of Spain that look a lot like the American Southwest. So any Southwestern border state could work in your imagination. West Texas and New Mexico look the same when you're driving and want to get home.
There are parts of Spain that look a lot like the American Southwest. So any Southwestern border state could work in your imagination. West Texas and New Mexico look the same when you're driving and want to get home.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:20 pm to TheTideMustRoll
Internet says New Mexico.
Confederates seeking a Western Port with the prize being California.
These weren't large battles.
Confederates seeking a Western Port with the prize being California.
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The New Mexico Campaign was a military operation of the Trans-Mississippi Theater of the American Civil War from February to April 1862 in which Confederate Brigadier General Henry Hopkins Sibley invaded the northern New Mexico Territory in an attempt to gain control of the Southwest, including the gold fields of Colorado and the ports of California.
These weren't large battles.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 8:37 pm to haikarate
Italian westerns are like Italian opera. Just enjoy it and don't worry too much about logic.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 9:22 pm to haikarate
It was in New Mexico. I heard one of the soldiers mention Glorieta Pass, which was fought in New Mexico in March 1862. They had the right name for the general (Sibley). I kind of laughed though when I saw the Confederate battle flag; I don’t believe it was really used outside the Army of Northern Virginia, especially that early in the war?
This post was edited on 8/4/18 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 8/4/18 at 9:39 pm to TheFonz
They say Leone was actually a Civil War buff but being all about cinema, he wasn't too concerned about accuracy. But the crux is the retreat shown happened.
The Confederate soldier dying in the desert is based on Sibley's retreat and soldiers perishing.
The Confederate soldier dying in the desert is based on Sibley's retreat and soldiers perishing.
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Cut off from retreat down the east bank by Union forces, Sibley's army was forced to retreat down the west bank or through the mountains to the west in search of food and water, during which hundreds of Confederates straggled and fell behind.
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When the Civil War broke out, Jefferson Davis appointed him to lead an expeditionary force from Texas to seize New Mexico, Colorado, and California. He won a controversial Confederate victory at the Battle of Valverde in 1862—controversial because of his own disreputable performance. In the spring of that year, after defeat at Glorieta Pass, he retreated in disgrace from New Mexico into west Texas and later faced court-martial for his inadequate and often drunken leadership.
Posted on 8/4/18 at 11:39 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Civil War battles in many of the southwestern states
I didn’t realize this until calling BS while watching GB&U. Wikipedia proved me wrong.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 9:22 am to pjab
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Italian westerns are like Italian opera.
This is exactly right.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 11:24 am to haikarate
A small battle occurred in AZ between Phoenix and Tucson at Picacho Peak:
The action occurred around Picacho Peak, 50 miles (80 km) northwest of Tucson, Arizona. It was fought between a Union cavalry patrol from California and a party of Confederate pickets from Tucson, and marks the westernmost battle of the American Civil War.
The action occurred around Picacho Peak, 50 miles (80 km) northwest of Tucson, Arizona. It was fought between a Union cavalry patrol from California and a party of Confederate pickets from Tucson, and marks the westernmost battle of the American Civil War.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 5:59 pm to Ace Midnight
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Again, don't overthink it.
I agree, but god damn everything is wrong, uniforms, weapons, tactics. That said, nice fight on the bridge.
Posted on 8/5/18 at 7:41 pm to kciDAtaE
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Right next to arch Stanton
Posted on 8/6/18 at 9:07 am to Lakeboy7
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I agree, but god damn everything is wrong, uniforms, weapons, tactics.
Yeah, but in the hands of a master like Sergio, it all kind of works itself into what is arguably the greatest Western film (and certainly in the top 3 to 5) ever.
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That said, nice fight on the bridge.
See?
Posted on 8/6/18 at 9:32 am to haikarate
FYI: The final battle of the Civil War took place on the banks of the Rio Grande in Texas (after Lee's surrender).
They were under a truce. But the Union commander decided to attack and ended up losing to the South when the Confederates borrowed artillery from French forces stationed across the river in Mexico.
They were under a truce. But the Union commander decided to attack and ended up losing to the South when the Confederates borrowed artillery from French forces stationed across the river in Mexico.
Posted on 8/6/18 at 9:34 am to Ace Midnight
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