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Civil War Buffs: Lionsgate set to make biopic about Ulysses S. Grant
Posted on 11/1/17 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 11/1/17 at 7:08 pm
In association with Appian Way.
I have been waiting for years for someone to turn Grant's story into a film/miniseries. Overrated or not, his is the ultimate American success story. Grant was a man from the middle class who overcame adversity in the face of enormous odds, won the Civil War, and rose to become President of the United States. And the man was a clerk in his father's tannery business at the outbreak of the war.
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I have been waiting for years for someone to turn Grant's story into a film/miniseries. Overrated or not, his is the ultimate American success story. Grant was a man from the middle class who overcame adversity in the face of enormous odds, won the Civil War, and rose to become President of the United States. And the man was a clerk in his father's tannery business at the outbreak of the war.
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Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:54 pm to RollTide1987
Gonna be a shitload of drinking involved.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 8:58 pm to RollTide1987
And he was a drunk.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:12 pm to RollTide1987
I hope this question is investigated and settled once and for all...because it seems Grant has gotten a reputation and maybe a bad rap...but I don't know...because no one has solved the question....there are opposing views on each side.
Grant the Butcher is the issue at question.
It's a common perception that U.S. Grant was a clumsy commander who won his battles merely through application of overwhelming force, taking disproportionate amounts of losses in the process. Mary Todd Lincoln (A questionable source on anything to do with reality) called Grant a butcher.
The idea was perpetuated by the "Lost Cause" school of thought originating with ex-Confederates after the Civil War that wanted to elevate Lee from a defeated. It's a common perception among many people, whether they believe Grant was a butcher or not, that he was a wielder of bloody attrition tactics in 1864 at the least.
Grant the Butcher is the issue at question.
It's a common perception that U.S. Grant was a clumsy commander who won his battles merely through application of overwhelming force, taking disproportionate amounts of losses in the process. Mary Todd Lincoln (A questionable source on anything to do with reality) called Grant a butcher.
The idea was perpetuated by the "Lost Cause" school of thought originating with ex-Confederates after the Civil War that wanted to elevate Lee from a defeated. It's a common perception among many people, whether they believe Grant was a butcher or not, that he was a wielder of bloody attrition tactics in 1864 at the least.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:32 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Grant couldn’t outmaneuver Lee, he tried, and he desperately needed victories in that summer of 64. The public was tired of the war, and the Democrats were pressing for peace.
That explains, more or less, why he embraced a strategy of attrition.
That explains, more or less, why he embraced a strategy of attrition.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:34 pm to RollTide1987
And he owned slaves. Last US President to own any. Wonder if they will touch on that
Posted on 11/1/17 at 9:42 pm to SPEEDY
I expect quite a few historical inaccuracies in this movie. It will likely be more fiction than non-fiction.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:09 pm to Brosef Stalin
Grant was an absolute master of maneuver and logistics. Go look at his campaigns in the Tennessee Valley and later, Vicksburg. As a Southerner, I hate it, but Grant was a brilliant commander.
Posted on 11/1/17 at 10:50 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Grant couldn’t outmaneuver Lee, he tried, and he desperately needed victories in that summer of 64.
But he DID outmaneuver Lee.
Yes...the battles above the James were bloody and seemingly fruitless. But in just over six weeks, Grant had successfully driven Lee below the James River (something Lee feared more than anything - save utter annihilation) and had completely immobilized and besieged him south of Richmond. Lee's greatest strength was his mobility and Grant had completely taken that away from him. And if not for the incompetence of the Army of the Potomac's corps commanders, the war might have ended at Petersburg in June 1864 instead of at Appomattox in April 1865. Lee got very lucky there.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:59 am to RollTide1987
Just hope they keep it true and not turn it into a movie with a lot of PC nonsense. Also hope it isn't disgustingly gory.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 10:41 am to mauser
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Just hope they keep it true and not turn it into a movie with a lot of PC nonsense
so you don't want pc, but you want the portrayal of battle to avoid being gory ... that doesn't seem to make sense ... isn't all battle 'disgustingly gory'?
This post was edited on 11/2/17 at 10:42 am
Posted on 11/2/17 at 5:32 pm to tiderider
I have no desire to see people guts blown out by cannon fire and no intelligent person would correlate that to PC.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:00 pm to RollTide1987
I hope this is directed by Mel Gibson.
The man does war very well.
The man does war very well.
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:06 pm to vilma4prez
Is it wishful thinking to hope for a different ending this time?
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:53 am to RollTide1987
Just a little update on this project, Leonardo DiCaprio has signed on to produce the film:
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Leonardo DiCaprio’s Appian Way is teaming up with Lionsgate for a biopic on legendary United States Army general and President Ulysses S. Grant, Deadline has revealed.
The film will be based upon Pulitzer Prize winning author Ron Chernow’s new biography Grant, and will detail his early business troubles and army resignation for drunkeness through his role as Abraham Lincoln’s most trusted general in the U.S. Civil War and his two subsequent terms in the White House, where he championed African-Americans and worked to stamp out the Ku Klux Klan.
DiCaprio and Jennifer Davisson will be producing the film, with Chernow serving as executive producer and David James Kelly writing the script.
Grant isn’t the only U.S. President that DiCaprio has plans to bring to the screen, as it was announced last month that he may team up with regular collaborator Martin Scorsese for the long-gestating Theodore Roosevelt biopic.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:53 am to Frac the world
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Grant was a tPOS drunk
He definitely drank, but only when there was nothing afoot.
When the battle was on, Grant was sober from most accounts.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:10 pm to KosmoCramer
Grant's biopic needs to be an HBO miniseries much like John Adams
I'd love to see it
There was so much turmoil and inner conflict during the civil war era that I feel has not been touched upon in film. We only see the romanticized visualization of Old South Slavers vs virtuous freedom loving Northerners. The truth about the civil war is that there were no true "Good/bad guys" to root for/against.
I'd love to see it
There was so much turmoil and inner conflict during the civil war era that I feel has not been touched upon in film. We only see the romanticized visualization of Old South Slavers vs virtuous freedom loving Northerners. The truth about the civil war is that there were no true "Good/bad guys" to root for/against.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 11/14/17 at 1:37 pm to RollTide1987
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he DID outmaneuver Lee.
No, he didn't. At the Wilderness, Spotsylvania, North Anna River, and Cold Harbor Lee dictated the location and course of the battle.
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in just over six weeks, Grant had successfully driven Lee below the James River
Grant did not drive Lee south. Grant made two good moves that entire campaign. One was to realize his numerical advantage and continue to fight even after the previous defeats, and the other was to sneak across the James River, threatening Petersburg and drawing Lee there. That's it.
Had Lee and the South abandoned Richmond as a capital and never tied down their last great eastern army to defending it then Lee could have ignored the threat and stole away to fight another day. Grant realized this and played upon it, but don't act like he beat Lee down until he had to nowhere else to go.
And if we're going to play the commander what-if game then let's suppose what might have happened had Lee continued to have Jackson throughout the course of the war. His aggressiveness could have easily changed the outcome of Gettysburg at a time when just a couple more Southern victories would have completely broken Northern will to fight. The war came much closer to going another direction than many want to admit.
Posted on 11/14/17 at 5:36 pm to RollTide1987
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The film will be based upon Pulitzer Prize winning author Ron Chernow’s new biography Grant
Great book, but it is a critical reappraisal of Grant's presidency that I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess a few people on this board are not gonna like. But the tide on Grant has been turning in historical circles for a few decades now.
He's also a really compelling figure. I'm looking forward to it, but casting will be a big deal. Hoping Leo doesn't cast himself because... no.
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