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re: Captain America: Civil War ***SPOILERS*** and Review Thread
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:02 am to Sentrius
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:02 am to Sentrius
The movie was good. However, I think it further illustrates the biggest flaw in the MCU - there is no real risk to any of the Avengers. At no point during CW did the tension rise to level where the audience would reasonably think that an Avenger might actually die. The closet we get is when Rhodes (who is a minor character at this point) falls to the ground. But, literally, three seconds later we get "hearbeat detected" and everything is good. He even gets some new iron man legs by the end of the movie so that there is really no long term consequence to the film.
Even in the airport fight, the characters have light-hearted banter about going back to being friends at he end of it.
Even in the airport fight, the characters have light-hearted banter about going back to being friends at he end of it.
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:05 am to Antonio Moss
you just described 99% of all action movies.
its incredibly rare for the hero to die and if somebody does bite it its usually the plucky sidekick or a random minor character that we've hardly learned much about.
its incredibly rare for the hero to die and if somebody does bite it its usually the plucky sidekick or a random minor character that we've hardly learned much about.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:05 am to Bard
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I think all he has left on his contract are the two remaining Infinity War movies. IIRC he's stated in interviews before that once his contract is up he's done with acting and going to focus mainly on directing.
I read that as well. He kind of sees this as his last acting gig before he moves on. Good for him. As someone who initially hated every movie he played in, and I was pretty peeved at the initial casting of him as Cap, he has really grown on me in his Captain America role and as he's been exposed as a person a bit more, I find that he seems like a pretty cool guy.
There really aren't many roles he could play in anyways. He's fairly one dimensional and un-complicated in his acting abilities...no offense to him, but Im sure he knows that.
I also thought he had said something along the lines of "they can have me as long as they want".
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:06 am to whatiknowsofar
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It's amazing to me how good this movie is compared to how shitty BVS was
well considering it made almost $700 million in it's opening weekend, compared to the $865 million BvS has made in 7 weeks, it's really not that amazing.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:08 am to Sgt_Lincoln_Osiris
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I thought the same at the Movie Tavern. I was thinking "I guess that's why I love IMAX so much, for the sound"
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that the new movie tavern is less than a 5 min drive from my house... But I've seen 2 movies there so far and have felt that the sound is just not up to par. Could be due to the wait staff aspect of the theater ... But when my living room surround system has a bit more rumble to it I kinda get a bit disappointed.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 11:10 am
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:08 am to Antonio Moss
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The movie was good. However, I think it further illustrates the biggest flaw in the MCU - there is no real risk to any of the Avengers. At no point during CW did the tension rise to level where the audience would reasonably think that an Avenger might actually die. The closet we get is when Rhodes (who is a minor character at this point) falls to the ground. But, literally, three seconds later we get "hearbeat detected" and everything is good. He even gets some new iron man legs by the end of the movie so that there is really no long term consequence to the film.
Even in the airport fight, the characters have light-hearted banter about going back to being friends at he end of it.
I agree with this. I was thinking a hero would die, but I knew once it came out and we didn't hear anything that it wasn't going to happen. I think theres no way anyone wouldn't have heard about it whether they wanted to or not. Maybe they thought they werent ready for that yet? Maybe the infinity wars are going to start dropping heroes?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:09 am to tiggerthetooth
I straight up thought Cap killed Iron Man in that last fight scene.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:10 am to whatiknowsofar
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And Paul Rudd needs more scenes in upcoming Avenger movies.
Yeah...he's great. I'm glad I had not officially known about the Giant Man thing. I mean, I assumed we'd eventually see him but I had no clue he'd break that out in this. As soon as he started talking about trying something, I turned to my wife and was all giddy and said, "GIANT MAN!!!" Only thing I missed was that we had brought my 9 year old (and 13 year old) sons plus a pack of other 9 year old's for his birthday party...so the boys weren't near me when he went giant so I had to lean forward to watch their reactions to him...and it was awesome! All the kids went ballistic!
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Jeremy Renner too.
Hawkeye's been solid and really one of the stronger parts of AoU. Especially liked his line from that where he's talking Wanda into joining the fight and he acknowledges how stupid it is that he's in this fight with a robot army with a bow and arrow. His line about playing golf when Iron Man showed up in CW was golden as well.
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It's amazing to me how good this movie is compared to how shitty BVS was
I'm waiting for Sentrius to start this as a stand alone thread...at which point I'll gladly join in and shite on BvS again. This movie proved everyone's point how were so disappointed by that train wreck. It actually IS possible to have a dark, gritty, deep, emotional movie that covers much of the same topic (having to answer for mishaps because of supers doing their jobs) and even DEAD PARENTS and does it worlds better AND is able to be light and fun and ENTERTAINING enough times to not make you wish you were a teenage Cure fan so you could cut yourself just to feel something...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:10 am to tiggerthetooth
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Maybe the infinity wars are going to start dropping heroes?
I could see it. Evans (and I think some others) contracts are up after IW
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:11 am to Civildawg
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1. Does Captain America age? I know he was asleep for all those years but I didnt know if it was because of that or the serum made him ageless.
Yes, but I assume a combo of both.
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2. Does this civil war timeline actually occur in the comics or is this a made up story line for the movie? The same with Batman V Superman. Do they actually fight each other in the comics?
Yes. The comics Civil-War was based on a superhero registration act, and yes superheroes do fight in the comics, and superheroes die. Captain America died in the civil war in the comics.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:15 am to Antonio Moss
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However, I think it further illustrates the biggest flaw in the MCU - there is no real risk to any of the Avengers.
If only that god damn John McClain would just die already.
When the hell is James Bond going to die
Will Jason Bourne ever die
When is Woody and Buzz going to die :rolleyes:
The Patriot would have been so much better if Tavington got to kill Benjamin Martin :rolleyes:
I guess Superman is really dead :rolleyes:
Harry Potter should have died in one of those 7 movies :rolleyes:
One of the vampire/werewolf whatevers from Twilight should have died too in their 5 movies :rolleyes:
Why didn't Frodo die before he destroyed the ring :rolleyes:
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:19 am to Antonio Moss
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However, I think it further illustrates the biggest flaw in the MCU - there is no real risk to any of the Avengers. At no point during CW did the tension rise to level where the audience would reasonably think that an Avenger might actually die.
But honestly...would it matter if one did? We're talking about comic book heroes who have all now died at one point or another and been brought back. There is just never going to be REAL death for any major character in any of these movies or story lines. I mean...does a James Bond movie lack tension unless you think James is gonna die? And if someone actually thinks he is, how crazy are they?
Oh...we may very well have a "death" at some point, but there's no way it's permanent for any major player. Of course, I contend that because I think Marvel has FINALLY cracked the code with this movie universe thing. Though I've never seen it addressed, if I had to guess, they've decided there is no end game. There is no final movie where the MCU stops and THE END comes up. It's a never ending saga that will outlast actors...and just like new artists take on these iconic characters in the books, new actors will eventually fill their shoes AND we'll move on without skipping a beat and with no reboots...think Bond. Those are the times...when an actor is deciding to bow out and a new one will need to come in...will be when I'd look for a "death" to happen to give a reason for them missing from a movie or two. But that's all my own guesses...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:37 am to GeauxTigerTM
Remember that time Quicksilver died in Age of Ultron? That said, I would've liked to have seen War Machine killed off
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:59 pm to BulldogXero
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Remember that time Quicksilver died in Age of Ultron?
Here's what I said...
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There is just never going to be REAL death for any major character in any of these movies or story lines.
Was Quicksilver all of a sudden a major character in his one and only appearance in this universe?
Like I said...anyone needing a major character to be REALLY FOREVER dead in this universe in order to feel suspense is going to never ever enjoy these things...and I'd question their ability to feel suspense in any number of action movies in which the major character/s are the reason for the franchise.
This is kind of one of those suspension of disbelief things I think people need to simply accept. I mean...yeah, it reality you'd expect a few good guys to bite it every once in a while. Of course, in reality, I wouldn't expect an ex-con to grow to 50 feet tall using tech created by Spartacus's son...so I just decide to go with some of it.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:44 pm to GeauxTigerTM
I agree with most here; I enjoyed it as a stand-alone movie. But I had a few reservations that I see others here thought as well- I never felt like the Civil War was any real existential threat to the Avengers and assumed it would all work out in the end. I also wasn't familiar with the Black Panther back-story and was all bitter at him and his family for having all of that high-tech stuff but running a central African country; I assumed it was like current central African countries which are dirt poor and run by corrupt dictators and assumed Wakanda fit this model, but I now see in the Marvel Universe that's not the case.
So I enjoyed it overall but just being really nitpicky...
So I enjoyed it overall but just being really nitpicky...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:23 pm to frankenfish
central africa currently has all this stuff, they just hide it really well. They want to keep it out of the white man's hands.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 5:37 pm to Ducyborg
I like black panther. he's an interesting character. Sorta like a high tech Shaka Zulu
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:32 pm to Sentrius
I loved it. Awesome fighting. Spiderman was cool, but didnt like aunt may . Black panther was cool. Iron man shouldve killed winter soilder with his shoulder missiles. Bucky still should be in jail. He still killed people.
One thing though: do Avengers (and stark give to charity?) More social good would be done if world hunger, poverty, scholarships, and free healthcare were addressed.
Also , isnt ghost rider owned by marvel? Him vs avengers were awesome
One thing though: do Avengers (and stark give to charity?) More social good would be done if world hunger, poverty, scholarships, and free healthcare were addressed.
Also , isnt ghost rider owned by marvel? Him vs avengers were awesome
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:33 pm to frankenfish
yeah, while Wakanda lives in poverty, him and his family live in luxury
Posted on 5/9/16 at 6:38 pm to 3nOut
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one of my favorite scenes in comic book movies. the crowd's reaction of "he's just a kid," and gets up to fight Doc Oc nails it afterwards
spiderman is marvels top hero. Spiderman 2 is top 10 superhero movie. Tobey McGuire is spiderman to me
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 6:42 pm
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