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re: Can Someone Explain Why Diversity Makes a Movie Bad?

Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:50 am to
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:50 am to
It was definitely a huge thing that people complained about her. This is just more continuation of the same. There has definitely been a push for a more diverse cast and it probably is a little forced, but there are definitely people who are looking for any reason to criticize it because they find the idea of diversity as offensive at face value, regardless of whatever "they're just trying to force it" narrative that is happening now.
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Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:52 am to
For most people, it isn't an issue. For some it is. Those "some" are very vocal.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:52 am to
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ecause minorities and women don't want to watch a movie that has all white guys in it. And Disney knows it so they will include a diverse cast in order to market to a diverse global audience


People aren't generally a bigot like yourself and will watch a quality movie with quality actors regardless of their race or gender.

When you eliminate a large swath of available actors in the search for contrived diversity you get a worse product.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:52 am to
A diverse cast will be the new normal in 10 years and people will have exhausted their bitching on the matter
Posted by SthGADawg
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:53 am to
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On an unrelated note, dern can sit on my face


was thinking the same thing...and remembered that in Jurassic Park...even though I was like 12...she made me feel funny...she would get it for sure...purple hair and all.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:53 am to
I'm a bigot because I understand Disney's thought process?
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:54 am to
Your OP was about what makes a movie bad, not marketability. In this case, diversity made the movie bad.
Posted by arktiger28
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:54 am to
Diversity isn't bad in and of itself but it should work seamlessly into the story. Rey is perfect because she is a character first and woman second. It has served to get my daughters into Star Wars and I love it. But purple hair lady was just there to slap down Poe's toxic masculinity when she could have just told him the plan. Also, Admiral Ackbar should have went out in that amazing scene. But good story telling was sacrificed on the alter of diversity.
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:54 am to
Rose made the movie bad. But her race had nothing to do with it. Her part wasn't written in so they could have an Asian person. They casted an Asian person for an already written part.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:54 am to
Does it bother you that the First Order is not diverse?
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:55 am to
quote:

Can Someone Explain Why Diversity Makes a Movie Bad?


It doesn't. Looking back, Star Wars is VERY VERY white and it makes no sense other than that's how things were cast at the time and as a 7 year old in 1977 I didn't see it. The fact that there are aliens of all shapes and sizes and human stand-ins who are nearly all white except for Lando is really kind of strange.

So I've never had an issue with there being a wide array of actors cast in the new movies. Since those people are really representing all of humanity on these movies, it makes sense for them to look like EVERYONE, and that even includes main characters. Rouge One, I thought, was the third best movie of the franchise and it looked like a Benetton ad, so I could not have cared less.

Having said all that shite up there, that does not make Finn a good character. He basically sucks to this point. Rose was an unneeded plot device. Having Phasma be a woman and then kill her unceremoniously is actually a WASTE of a female character making you wonder why you cast her there in the first place. There was no reason to add the purple haired Laura Dern character when Ackbar was there to be sacrificed. Etc...

As for Rey, she's awesome! Besides from being nearly too pretty, Daisy Ridley has been, for me anyway, the best thing about these two movies. She's be written well, she's played her well, I liked her story until they seemed to do something dumb with her parents, etc.

As for the race stuff in some of the super hero movies, I just wish there was intellectual honesty in play. On the one hand we're told that they simply want to cast the best actors, and that's why Idris Elba is cast as Heimdahl in Thor...and then you get a case of Ed Skrein (Francis from Deadpool) who was cast as some character in Hellboy only to drop out because there was controversy over him being cast as a character that was Asian in the comics. What in the actual frick is the issue here, then? We want to keep the racial makeup of the character from the IP...unless that character was white, then it actually has no bearing on the character at all and can be brownwashed?

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/ed-skrein-exits-hellboy-whitewashing-1202540677/

I think until things don't look so obviously like a double standard there will be things for people to complain about in this regard.
Posted by dawgfan24348
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:55 am to
Don't think that was the intention, more like a young pilot made a reckless move. Hell Poe and Luke save everyone's arse in the end anyway. Even Kylo saves Rey
Posted by AggieDub14
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:55 am to
Finn was part of the First Order
Posted by DelU249
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Posted by Ash Williams
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:56 am to
quote:

Diversity isn’t bad, when a film seems more preoccupied with diversity then being good, it shows

Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:56 am to
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Black Panther is obviously being made for the brothas, but who cares? It still looks like a decent movie.


Black Panther is a decades long, well-established product where the lead character is not only black, but actually African.

Diversity isn't bad when its reflective or makes a lot of sense. Diversity for diversity's sake, especially when the diversity is done at the expense of or in stark contrast to the emasculation/demonization of white males is dumb. Very dumb.

And transparent.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:57 am to
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Rose made the movie bad. But her race had nothing to do with it. Her part wasn't written in so they could have an Asian person. They casted an Asian person for an already written part.

Sure, that subplot wasn’t about her being Asian. It was about the evil white male profitting off of the oppression of others. The plot literally serves no other purpose.

But Dern’s part was certainly written in for diversity’s sake. Her role literally provides no other purpose.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 10:58 am to
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Finn was part of the First Order
Hes the only black guy in the First Order.
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