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re: Breaking Bad S5E16 9/29 "Felina" IT's ALL OVER
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:25 am to RJYH
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:25 am to RJYH
Just got a chance to watch. Great episode, but I was a little disappointed at how predictable it was. The scene with the Schwartz's was surprising but the rest was easy to see coming, albeit very well done. Still a great episode to wrap the series up. I was hoping for a jaw dropping moment I didn't see coming, but it never came. It's been a great ride.
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Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:28 am to beaver
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it's a flashback to when he made the box that he talks about trading for weed...I thought that was obvious
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:42 am to SW2SCLA
A jaw dropping moment you didn't see coming would be kind of uncharacteristic for this show though. There have been surprises but it's been a slow steady change in Walt throughout the show. The fact that he had some redemption with everyone besides Flynn was kind of surprising to me, and as someone highly invested in the show very rewarding as a viewer.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:44 am to RJYH
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The only question I still want answered is why did Walt drop everything and leave Gretchen?
THIS
they did a great job of tying up loose ends, but why did Walt leave GM for 5000$? Something had to have happened there. I think Elliott fricked him over bad somehow.
This is my only disappointment in an otherwise masterful last few episodes.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:45 am to St Augustine
a couple observatoins i dont think have been made
1. walt went out with his love, the meth lab as evidence of his arrogance and wanting to be associated with the blue meth even in death and even when he wasn't the one cooking.
2. also provides plausible deniability of jesse's involvement. most will assume the blue meth was coming from walt & with the nazis and lydia dead, most tracks are covered that lead to jesse.
however, his fingerprints all over and the possiblity of the DVD still being around leave this fairly ambiguous if he can make a clean break unless he hooks up with vacuum man.
1. walt went out with his love, the meth lab as evidence of his arrogance and wanting to be associated with the blue meth even in death and even when he wasn't the one cooking.
2. also provides plausible deniability of jesse's involvement. most will assume the blue meth was coming from walt & with the nazis and lydia dead, most tracks are covered that lead to jesse.
however, his fingerprints all over and the possiblity of the DVD still being around leave this fairly ambiguous if he can make a clean break unless he hooks up with vacuum man.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:46 am to TigerRad
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think Elliott fricked him over bad
elliott is the single biggest douchebag on the show. i think leaving it implied worked better honestly than trying to create a backstory on this.
i mean just look at the guy. you know he's a fricking weasel.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:56 am to CAD703X
I think Walt gets blamed for the meth lab etc and Jesse gets off scott free.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:59 am to TheDoc
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Jesse gets off scott free.
I agree. Plus Jesse was only really known about inside the DEA by Hank and Gomie, right? I mean, REALLY known about. Not those clowns who tried to interview him.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:59 am to CAD703X
Notice the lighting. It's a blue tinted light once it hits Walt and they fade upward in the last shot. Same shade as his meth.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:59 am to GeauxAggie972
Just finished this morning:
I'm torn, and as someone ultra-critical of the show, my comments can be disregarded by the fanatic masses.
I think it was one of the show's finest hours (and then some), at the same time, I was a little disappointed. I think the best moments were the smallest ones: the confrontation with Gretchen, admitting that he did it for "me...I liked it." Expert writing on both accounts.
But the big stuff, Jesse's ending, the still overbearing necessity of the really insignificant final "villains," The final firefight, were a let down.
I think, for television, endings are an extremely tough balance, so I can understand the shortcomings. An open ending in a film is ok when you spend 1.5-3 hours on something, it's ok to say, "Determine the ending yourself." But television, where you watch 62+ hours of the same characters, projecting forward a bit is necessary, and I don't think the ending did well enough at giving enough clues to know what happens to who, even Walt (of course he's dead, but is he a legend? I think that's an important question to answer for this show.)
I'll say this, seeing as Season 5 was sort of a dud for me, the episode did surpass my mediocre expectations. There just wasn't a lot of punch left after Gus and Mike departed. So A+ for having a top 5 episode of a very good, not great show, after a lackluster Season.
Great episode, not a great ending, but good enough.
I'm torn, and as someone ultra-critical of the show, my comments can be disregarded by the fanatic masses.
I think it was one of the show's finest hours (and then some), at the same time, I was a little disappointed. I think the best moments were the smallest ones: the confrontation with Gretchen, admitting that he did it for "me...I liked it." Expert writing on both accounts.
But the big stuff, Jesse's ending, the still overbearing necessity of the really insignificant final "villains," The final firefight, were a let down.
I think, for television, endings are an extremely tough balance, so I can understand the shortcomings. An open ending in a film is ok when you spend 1.5-3 hours on something, it's ok to say, "Determine the ending yourself." But television, where you watch 62+ hours of the same characters, projecting forward a bit is necessary, and I don't think the ending did well enough at giving enough clues to know what happens to who, even Walt (of course he's dead, but is he a legend? I think that's an important question to answer for this show.)
I'll say this, seeing as Season 5 was sort of a dud for me, the episode did surpass my mediocre expectations. There just wasn't a lot of punch left after Gus and Mike departed. So A+ for having a top 5 episode of a very good, not great show, after a lackluster Season.
Great episode, not a great ending, but good enough.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 10:59 am to TheDoc
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I think Walt gets blamed for the meth lab etc and Jesse gets off scott free.
They really don't have a lot of evidence on Jesse - he's got no money, no meth and even if they find evidence of him being at the lab, they'll also find evidence of his being kept in captivity.
Nothing to pursue anything significant. Especially if he tells a very credible story that he was assisting Hank and Steve to bring down Walt, which Marie can corroborate. I foresee no problems even a public defender can't get him clear of.
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:00 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:00 am to CAD703X
I watched all the seasons last year and i cant remember, but i thought walt just needed the money and sold out his part because he didnt think it would be successful (GM)? Do they say that he actually got screwed over or was it just envy that it became such a success without him? I really cant remember, thanks
ETA: Maybe walt didn't think it wouldnt be successful, but sold out for other reasons
ETA: Maybe walt didn't think it wouldnt be successful, but sold out for other reasons
This post was edited on 9/30/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:00 am to Freauxzen
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after a lackluster Season.
What?
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:01 am to JumpingTheShark
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watched all the seasons last year and i cant remember, but i thought walt just needed the money and sold out his part because he didnt think it would be successful (GM)? Do they say that he actually got screwed over or was it just envy that it became such a success without him? I really cant remember, thanks
For some reason, I always thought there was something going on with Gretchen and Eliot. Walt left because he couldn't stand to work with them anymore out of jealousy or anger.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:02 am to LNCHBOX
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What?
Yeah, not to diminish his opinion, but he's clearly in the minority - Bb isn't "perfect" (nothing is), but it consistently built - certainly from Boxcutter forward, to a nice crescendo.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:02 am to St Augustine
There have been plenty of "oh shite" moments throughout the series. Again, I thought it was a good finale. It wrapped up all the angles in a satisfying way. I'm just used to being more surprised by the show. Gilligan and company being a few steps ahead of me had become the norm until last night.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:03 am to PurpleandGold Motown
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For some reason, I always thought there was something going on with Gretchen and Eliot. Walt left because he couldn't stand to work with them anymore out of jealousy or anger.
Yeah i think so too, it also kinda felt implied that maybe elliott was hot for gretchen while walt and her were dating
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:03 am to Hoyas
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He never sampled his meth. I was hoping he would just start dicing and snorting in the final scene.
I thought he was about to test his product when he walked into the lab at the end.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:04 am to JumpingTheShark
They didn't touch on it much, unfortunately.
Gretchen mentions something to Walt about HIM leaving, sounded like they were on vacation with her family or something. I think Walt came from a poor background while Gretchen was rich, perhaps her family didn't approve of Walt. Walt leaves and Gretchen and Elliot eventually get together.
Gretchen mentions something to Walt about HIM leaving, sounded like they were on vacation with her family or something. I think Walt came from a poor background while Gretchen was rich, perhaps her family didn't approve of Walt. Walt leaves and Gretchen and Elliot eventually get together.
Posted on 9/30/13 at 11:05 am to SW2SCLA
So you knew that Walt was intending to kill Jesse but then changed his mind after seeing him as a prisoner?
You knew Walt was going to use the M60 that way?
You know that Skyler was going to quasi-forgive Walt and let him say goodbye to Holly?
You knew Walt was going to use the M60 that way?
You know that Skyler was going to quasi-forgive Walt and let him say goodbye to Holly?
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