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re: Breaking Bad: Live Free or Die Thread
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:11 pm to Carson123987
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:11 pm to Carson123987
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He went from being passive to completely aggressive.
I could not disagree more. Last season he may have been behind the scenes a bit more, but he was very aggressive. Hell, the whole season was him butting heads with Gus. Hell, most of season 3 was him butting heads with Gus. How is having Jesse kill Gale passive? How is running over 2 dudes in your Aztec passive? How is throwing a chemical on the ground to blow up the building you're in passive? Then add all the shenanigans that occurred Season 4, he has been far from passive. He has grown into a cold blooded bastard, which is exactly what Gilligan wanted. Now that he doesn't have to tip-toe through the tulips for Gus, he can assume a more dominant persona, one that fits with him becoming the new kingpin of the meth business. I think the scene last season in which he's on the phone with Skylar and she asks what happened and responds, "I won," pretty much set up the Walt will be a bad arse in Season 5 plot.
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They just threw too much right off the bat, and for a show that is built so heavily around character development, I just feel like they were kind of lazy in this episode.
I still think that they have shown Walt's ego adequately in prior seasons. He has stood toe to toe with a bunch of people and he just waxed one of the most powerful men in the business without getting his hands dirty. It only makes sense that he's finally flipped into full on bad arse mode. He believes himself untouchable.
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Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:13 pm to Covingtiger
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I love that Breaking Bad doesn't go over the top with cliffhangers. Like with other shows where they have a lot of mediocre and then one boom at the very end of the episode. In BB it's consistent throughout the entire episode, the writing really is that good.
Agreed. They set it up and it goes down in awesome fashion. Doesn't get much better than this.
In contrast, though I love GoT, BB is more enjoyable to watch to some extent due to more immediate gratification. GoT has so many story arcs that it seems like it takes forever to make significant progress in any one favorite arc.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:18 pm to GeauxWarrior12
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The character change in Walt started last season. "I am the one who knocks". Ring a bell?
It started with the show. It's all about his change. The "I am the one who knocks" is great because he feels bad afterwards and goes to apologize. He hasn't fully broken bad yet.
He's always been a likable antihero, but in the premiere last night, I found it hard to pull for him.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:20 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Now that he doesn't have to tip-toe through the tulips for Gus, he can assume a more dominant persona, one that fits with him becoming the new kingpin of the meth business. I think the scene last season in which he's on the phone with Skylar and she asks what happened and responds, "I won," pretty much set up the Walt will be a bad arse in Season 5 plot.
Good points. I guess I just found it a little too quick a transition. I would've drawn it out 2-3 episodes.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:33 pm to Carson123987
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Say you get promoted to a position of authority in a business. Sure, you're gonna feel more powerful and want to assert that power. You won't immediately become a huge a-hole power-monger. That's what they did with Walt. I would've had him making a questionable comment or 2 in this episode, and have his actions become more and more evil over a few episodes. Just a little character building. They just threw too much right off the bat, and for a show that is built so heavily around character development, I just feel like they were kind of lazy in this episode.
I get what you are saying I just think that everything that occurred in season 4 more than justifies the "new walt".
Then again, it has been awhile since I watched the last couple episodes of 4 and I honestly don't remember Walt's general attitude that much.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:33 pm to Notro
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Its been discussed that he was part of the Pinochet government/army in Chile.
It might have been discussed on here, but not on the show.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:40 pm to Carson123987
It makes sense that after he killed gus he would have a fairly drastic change in personality IMO.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:49 pm to beaverfever
Walt is basically tapped out having to pay for Ted. He still hasn't reached his original goal of having enough money to take care of his family after he is gone.
He has to be bad arse.
He has to be bad arse.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 12:51 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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The only thing that rang a little false to me was his ability to intimidate people; I mean, Walt's power is still pretty much limited to his own person. His only henchman is Jesse.
That said, judging by the open, Walt's success isn't gonna last very long. Looks like another rollercoaster.
The only person he intimidated though was Saul, who knows full well what Walt is capable of. Saul knows Walt just killed the most powerful druglord in town with a bomb, he knows he also has the capability to poison folks with ricin. He also knows Walt is under a death sentence with cancer for the most part so is capable of anything and doesn't give a damn. It's not like Walt would have to touch Saul, he could kill him pretty easily with a bomb, poison, or other chemical agent, and Saul knows it.
Saul being scared of Walt is pretty logical.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:02 pm to ruzil
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Walt is basically tapped out having to pay for Ted. He still hasn't reached his original goal of having enough money to take care of his family after he is gone.
What? I thought Skylar paid $200,000 in taxes for Ted.
Wasn't he making millions of dollars with Gus? How can he be tapped out?
I don't think money has anything to do with this anymore. Skylar has enough money.... right?
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:03 pm to auyushu
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Saul being scared of Walt is pretty logical.
Yup. On top of the fact that Saul is pretty much a weenie.
That said, I think that Saul walks away with all of Walt's money at the end of this. Double crossing lawyers...
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:06 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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Walt's ego has been building for a long time,
Even in the first season when he ran into the meth cookers at the home improvement store and told them to stay of of "his" territory.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:09 pm to Philosoraptor
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What? I thought Skylar paid $200,000 in taxes for Ted.
It was in the upper $600k range.
And don't forget that they bought the car wash, I think in the $750k range, so he still has assets but isn't very liquid, which was the issue when he had to go to Saul to contact the guy that could make him disappear. Plus he's been paying for Hank's rehab. And still, with all that, he still had quite a bit of money below the house, maybe in the $100k range.
This post was edited on 7/16/12 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:14 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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Have you seen season four?
Yes, I was thinking it was Tyrus but he was with Fring when Salamanca blew him up. And Victor was disposed a long time ago. I can't think who the bodies in the lab would be.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:14 pm to LoveThatMoney
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I think that Saul walks away with all of Walt's money at the end of this. Double crossing lawyers...
...and his woman!
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:17 pm to SmackDaniels
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Yes, I was thinking it was Tyrus but he was with Fring when Salamanca blew him up. And Victor was disposed a long time ago. I can't think who the bodies in the lab would be.
One was the guy who drove Gus to the nursing home before the explosion, and the other was the guy watching Jesse cook to learn the recipe. I think the latter was eventually going to whack Jesse. One, or both, of them are who snatched-up Jesse and tossed him in the van.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:20 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
shite I can't remember either one of these guys now. I'm probably making this a big deal but it's just aggravating me that I can't remember who they are.
Thanks btw...
Going back to watch the last episode
Thanks btw...
Going back to watch the last episode
Posted on 7/16/12 at 1:28 pm to Gnar Cat21
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can almost guarantee there will be some sort of "coming to a head" between walt and hank in tis season
Hank's problem is, Walt has paid for his treatments with drug money. In addition to, having the same problem Merker has now, a drug kingpin right under his nose with personal involvement. Heads are going to roll in the DEA and Merker's is first and he knows it, by looking at him in the sneak peak.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:01 pm to dr smartass phd
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Heads are going to roll in the DEA and Merker's is first and he knows it, by looking at him in the sneak peak.
Yep. Now watch Walt have Hank over for dinner for Chilean Sea Bass...cooked in foil just like Gus'.
Posted on 7/16/12 at 2:06 pm to auyushu
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The only person he intimidated though was Saul
Saul wanted to bail on him, Walt stopped that. Mike wanted to kill him, Walt stopped that. I think the second achievement was greater than the first.
To be fair, Mike kinda likes Jesse, who was defending Walt, and at some level, he realizes Walt can be useful, but still, he's been wanting to kill Walt for a long time. If it's not intimidation, it's at least becoming a grudging respect due to Walt basically outsmarting Mike every time he wanted to kill him and beating Gus, ultimately killing him. This time, Walt convinced Mike it was better to stay and try his harebrained scheme than kill him and vanish. Mike didn't even stop the car and kick Walt's arse when he said, "It worked because I say it did." Not too shabby. Will Mike become his Luca Brasi?
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