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Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:00 pm to Havoc
quote:Single-handedly?? Without Jesse, Saul, Mike or Gus, Walt would've never made a dime. Exactly who was Walt gonna tap as his top meth salesman? Walt Jr?
The guy that almost single-handedly built a multi-million dollar drug manufacturing business
quote:Walt fricked up everything he touched. If he hadn't fricked up so much, Jesse would've walked away and left Walt alone.
he had his frickups but Jesse was pivotal in bringing it all down.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:20 pm to SmackDaniels
They did the best they could. You could see early on the mom was about to cave and let him come back, until the dad said no. While I'm sure we all cheered for Saul & Jesse to get one over on the parents, zoom out a bit. These were parents who had been fricked over by Jesse time and time again, and had a damn meth lab in the basement. And we were cheering for Jesse.
Jesse's parents seem like every other parent I've ever met blindsided by a complete screw up they raised. Jaded, reluctant, and a little petty. All for good reason.
Jesse's parents seem like every other parent I've ever met blindsided by a complete screw up they raised. Jaded, reluctant, and a little petty. All for good reason.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 12:51 pm to King George
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Single-handedly??
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almost single-handedly
IIRC Jesse’s part was just kicking off the street level sales and even that was full of frickups by him.
When Gus entered the mix he hated and didn’t want to deal with Jesse and Walt’s loyalty to Jesse was the beginning of the problems there.
Walt was definitely a frickup too.
Been a little while since last watch but that’s how I recall it.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 1:21 pm to rebelrouser
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I get he was a piece of crap to start the show, but he was still in highschool when it began. I feel like his parents weren't interested in his possible redemption, which he achieved without them. Jessie's parents in BB remind me of the Kettlemans in BCS. Outwardly moral but selfish and lazy at their core.
Terrible take. At the start of the show Jesse's parents have already tried everything they can think of to get through to him, to the point of kicking him out of their house. It wasn't that his parents weren't interested in him turning his life around - there was nothing they wanted more. But they no longer had hope that it would happen. They knew how much potential he had had if he had chosen to use it, but obviously he had squandered all of that. They had reached the point where they were just waiting for the phone to ring to tell them that their son was either dead by OD or criminal violence, or in prison. And it is hard to fault them and say that they were wrong, because think about everything it took to finally "get through" to him, including:
1. Multiple people, including a child, killed indirectly because of his actions.
2. His girlfriend dying from an OD (with a little help from Walt, obviously) in the same bed with him.
3. Aiding and abetting in several murders, as well as committing one himself, solely to save his own skin.
4. Narrowly avoiding death multiple times.
Now, granted, there are any number of moments that you could point to in the show arc and say, "That's when Jesse finally decided he wanted out, but he was in so deep he didn't know how to escape," but wherever you choose, he had already done and experienced a bunch of terrible things by that point. Basically, if he hadn't been the co-protagonist of a TV show but had instead been a real person, exactly what his parents feared for him would have come true. And it would have come true even if he had never met Walt White after leaving high school, because in the very first episode we seem him narrowly avoid arrest.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:12 pm to SmackDaniels
All I know is Badger + Skinny Pete were the REAL ones.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:14 pm to jlovel7
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Jessie is the only main character in the show who I think gets morally better as the show progresses
The inverse of WW
Posted on 2/25/25 at 2:34 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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At the start of the show Jesse's parents have already tried everything they can think of to get through to him,
Did you see some kind of prequel the rest of us don't know about? They were perfectly willing to sell their house that had a meth lab in it to the highest bidder. That is illegal and like selling a house you know has black mold. Why did Gilligan put that in the show? For no reason or to show that the Pinkmans were far from perfect and, in fact, like the Kettlemans. Although Betsy was hot and Diane is certainly not.
That picture is perfect. She even has a flag pin.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:22 pm to King George
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In the context of the show, Jesse was the moral compass. And frankly the only sympathetic character. A drug manufacturer…yes. A doofus…yes. But everyone else on the show was pure shite through and through.
Jesse was my favorite character by the end.
Walt was a genius who synthesized an almost pure meth, thereby reducing many of the worst aspects of meth that come from taking meth. Now, no one should take meth but Walt saved the health of however many meth addicts were buying his meth.
The only objectively bad thing that Walt did in the entire series was poisoning Jesse's girlfriends kid (I wish I could remember either of their names). Walt represented the American spirit and should be commended.
Jesse, was a a frickup who would've OD'd within months if Walt had let him run off with Jane.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 3:40 pm to MFn GIMP
Did someone say Kettleman?
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:04 pm to MFn GIMP
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thereby reducing many of the worst aspects of meth that come from taking meth.
i dont know frick all about meth, but this sounds extremely suspect.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:25 pm to rebelrouser
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They were perfectly willing to sell their house that had a meth lab in it to the highest bidder. That is illegal and like selling a house you know has black mold. Why did Gilligan put that in the show? For no reason or to show that the Pinkmans were far from perfect and, in fact, like the Kettlemans.
What does that have to do with their attempts to correct Jesse's delinquent behavior? I never said they were perfect people. And the point of the entire sequence with the house was not to show that the Pinkmans were like the Kettlemans, but rather to show that Jesse's past actions continued to have negative impacts on the people who loved him, and also that he was still an immature shitbag of a person. His parents were stuck with a house they couldn't get rid of because of something he had done, and he used that information to take advantage of them because he was mad that they were legitimately disappointed in him. Of course we're supposed to see that his anger is really directed at himself because deep down he knows they're right but just can't admit it, but that doesn't prevent his actions from being any less immature or shitbaggy.
Posted on 2/25/25 at 4:47 pm to SmackDaniels
I never really liked them much. At the same time, Jesse seemed like he put them through a lot.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:30 pm to Havoc
quote:Jesse didn't frick it up at all. In fact, it was everything was running smoothly until Walt insisted they expand their territory which let to Combo getting shot and killed. Jesse successfully ran the dealers on his own. He even recovered the drugs/money stolen by Spooge and Skank (albeit at Walt's insistence) and inadvertently upped his street cred.
Jesse’s part was just kicking off the street level sales and even that was full of frickups by him.
quote:Initially true. However, Gus came to appreciate and even depended on Jesse. Jesse turned out to be a valuable sidekick for Mike and was key to the success of Gus' plan to finish off the cartel.
When Gus entered the mix he hated and didn’t want to deal with Jesse and Walt’s loyalty to Jesse was the beginning of the problems there.
Walter cut his own throat with Gus due to his narcissism and paranoia. If Jesse had let Gus kill Walter, they all would've lived happily ever after making and selling meth.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 3:47 pm to TheTideMustRoll
quote:I agree with every point you make except for #3.
Terrible take. At the start of the show Jesse's parents have already tried everything they can think of to get through to him, to the point of kicking him out of their house. It wasn't that his parents weren't interested in him turning his life around - there was nothing they wanted more. But they no longer had hope that it would happen. They knew how much potential he had had if he had chosen to use it, but obviously he had squandered all of that. They had reached the point where they were just waiting for the phone to ring to tell them that their son was either dead by OD or criminal violence, or in prison. And it is hard to fault them and say that they were wrong, because think about everything it took to finally "get through" to him, including:
1. Multiple people, including a child, killed indirectly because of his actions.
2. His girlfriend dying from an OD (with a little help from Walt, obviously) in the same bed with him.
3. Aiding and abetting in several murders, as well as committing one himself, solely to save his own skin.
4. Narrowly avoiding death multiple times.
Now, granted, there are any number of moments that you could point to in the show arc and say, "That's when Jesse finally decided he wanted out, but he was in so deep he didn't know how to escape," but wherever you choose, he had already done and experienced a bunch of terrible things by that point. Basically, if he hadn't been the co-protagonist of a TV show but had instead been a real person, exactly what his parents feared for him would have come true. And it would have come true even if he had never met Walt White after leaving high school, because in the very first episode we seem him narrowly avoid arrest.
I assume you're referring to Jesse shooting Gale in the face. If so, he did that for Walter. Jesse was already in hiding (after Walter ran over Gus' dealers to save Jesse) and somewhat safe. Walter begged Jesse to kill Gale to save his life because Gus was done with his shite and Mike was fixing to execute him in the lab. And without Gale, Gus wouldn't have a cook.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 6:40 pm to SmackDaniels
They sucked.
They failed their first child, and always thought of themselves first. If Jesse would have had Jane's dad, he would have fared better.
Walter white was a better father figure to him...think about that.
They failed their first child, and always thought of themselves first. If Jesse would have had Jane's dad, he would have fared better.
Walter white was a better father figure to him...think about that.
Posted on 2/26/25 at 9:05 pm to King George
quote:
Jesse fricked up the whole gig by going after the Salamanca bangers who killed the kid. If Walter had let those guys kill Jesse, they all would've lived happily ever after making and selling meth.
Yep.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:33 am to TheTideMustRoll
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Terrible take. At the start of the show Jesse's parents have already tried everything they can think of to get through to him, to the point of kicking him out of their house. It wasn't that his parents weren't interested in him turning his life around - there was nothing they wanted more. But they no longer had hope that it would happen.
I think a lot of people probably haven't watched the show in a while (myself included) and seem to forget all that. Jesse is a protagonist we're cheering for so we're predisposed to pulling "against" anyone that is in opposition to him, including his parents. But I mean, as the question is posed in teh OP if we're looking at this through the lens of real life...how the frick are we going to call his parents bad people? They have a loser drug addicted meth peddling frcikukp for a son that has squandered every chance possible. At some point you have to stop enabling and cut ties. They are in no way "bad people" just because of that.
And ti's also ridiculous to suggest they are bad simply by trying to sell their house. What should they have done, plastered it at the top of the zillow listing that it was used for illicit drug manufacturing? You wouldn't do that and neither did they.
The Pinkmans, much like Skylar, are probably pretty damn true to "real life" and how someone would actually act in those given circumstances.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:46 am to wadewilson
quote:Walter could never leave well enough alone though. He would've had a problem with Gus or Mike or eventually Hank would've gotten too close. Something. Walter just couldn't help but frick up.
If Walter had let those guys kill Jesse, they all would've lived happily ever after making and selling meth.
quote:Jesse wanted payback. I don't fault him for that. I do agree that it was a frick up in the grand scheme of things though.
Jesse fricked up the whole gig by going after the Salamanca bangers who killed the kid.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:21 am to King George
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Walter could never leave well enough alone though. He would've had a problem with Gus or Mike or eventually Hank would've gotten too close. Something. Walter just couldn't help but frick up.
And Jesse wouldn't have fricked something else up?
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Jesse wanted payback. I don't fault him for that. I do agree that it was a frick up in the grand scheme of things though.
Jesse was an idiot. Walt was idiotically arrogant.
There's no happy story for anybody in this show.
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