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re: 'Borat 2' Tomatometer - 89% and Spoilers Thread
Posted on 10/22/20 at 6:53 pm to Roaad
Posted on 10/22/20 at 6:53 pm to Roaad
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Can you tell me any copycat films, or Borat-like movies spawned by amy phenomenon? I can't think of any, but I am open to being wrong.
Every Mads Brugger movie. Bad Grandpa.
Nathan for You probably doesn't exist without it, just off the top of my head.
ETA: I'll also add that judging cultural relevance of a film based on its imitators is weird when the film in question was both unique (at the time) and uniquely hard to pull off.
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 7:01 pm
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Posted on 10/22/20 at 6:58 pm to Roaad
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Listening to Sasha speak in recent times, it seems the movie was made to sway potential voters.
If a satire film can sway voters, they weren't really interested in the candidate to begin with
Posted on 10/22/20 at 7:10 pm to Jay Are
quote:Really digging there
Every Mads Brugger movie.
quote:Jackass movie
Bad Grandpa.
quote:I mean. . .
Nathan for You probably doesn't exist without it
quote:That is an important metric everyone uses, but I will note your disapproval
judging cultural relevance of a film based on its imitators is weird
quote:People said that about most every movie that is seen as cultural phenomenon films, Hollywood always finds a way to imitate.
when the film in question was both unique (at the time) and uniquely hard to pull off.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 7:11 pm to skrayper
quote:I'm not saying it can.
If a satire film can sway voters, they weren't really interested in the candidate to begin with
Posted on 10/22/20 at 7:53 pm to RLDSC FAN
It’s now available on Prime.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 8:26 pm to Roaad
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People said that about most every movie that is seen as cultural phenomenon films, Hollywood always finds a way to imitate.
And it’s much easier to at least try to imitate the other types of cultural phenomenon movies that you have previously mentioned. Borat is far from a traditional movie in how it was made. Movies like Superbad and American Pie, while iconic, were still pretty traditional movies.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 8:52 pm to Roaad
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Really digging there
I didn't dig. He does the same sort of infiltration schemes. And it was of the top of my head.
quote:
Jackass movie
Jackass didn't play like borat. This did.
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That is an important metric everyone uses, but I will note your disapproval
It's weird in this case. I would call Prince culturally relevant. Few people could do or attempted to do what he was doing with rock, R&B, and pop. I await your explanation for how unimportant Prince was to pop culture.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit was massively popular, and it is now preserved by the library of congress because of its cultural relevance. In its wake, there was one single imitator that bombed. Is Roger Rabbit not relevant because no one else could pull it off?
There are instances where this one, single metric might be meaningless. This is one.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 9:54 pm to jg8623
quote:Everything can be imitated.
And it’s much easier to at least try to imitate the other types of cultural phenomenon movies that you have previously mentioned.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:02 pm to RLDSC FAN
Only men and bears ride in vehicles no women
Got a bitch strapped to the roof ha. I gotta see this but I don't have prime
Shitty bootleg in the hood I guess
This lesbian and her fine arse gf got everything I need downstairs. Almost
Got a bitch strapped to the roof ha. I gotta see this but I don't have prime
Shitty bootleg in the hood I guess
This lesbian and her fine arse gf got everything I need downstairs. Almost
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:06 pm to Jay Are
quote:He is an obscure Dutch comedian that makes indie films
I didn't dig. He does the same sort of infiltration schemes. And it was of the top of my head.
quote:Jackass did bits like that all the time.
Jackass didn't play like borat.
They just did it as a movie. And it played EXACTLY like a Jackass movie.
quote:Correct
I would call Prince culturally relevant.
quote:And yet he had tons of imitators. He still has people trying to imitate him, and cite him as an influence.
Few people could do or attempted to do what he was doing with rock, R&B, and pop.
quote:Off the top of my head:
Who Framed Roger Rabbit was massively popular, and it is now preserved by the library of congress because of its cultural relevance. In its wake, there was one single imitator that bombed. Is Roger Rabbit not relevant because no one else could pull it off?
Cool World
Space Jam
Alvin and the Chipmunks
Monkeybone
quote:I can't think of one. Especially in Hollywood
There are instances where this one, single metric might be meaningless. This is one.
I can't even think of a major filmmaker, or relevant cultural figure citing Borat as an influence, can you?
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:09 pm to Roaad
I watched it.
My thoughts - Let me preface it by laughing at the MAGA bro’s whose feelings are hurt so they’re acting like the original Borat wasn’t a Great Success
As for this movie - pretty meh. I went in with tempered expectations because you couldn’t compete with the magic of the first one. Even still, I felt let down. It had a few laughs and it wasn’t awful, but not something I’d probably have a desire watch again.
The Rudy G stuff - I don’t know what to make of it. Editing tricks aside - he comes off as a huge sleaze. But that’s not a crime. I don’t think he ever thought the girl was 15 - they were having drinks on camera together, before he got to the bedroom. No way he would be that dumb to have a drink on camera with a 15 year old girl. So that’s a bit misleading. In the bedroom, I’ve heard the “tucking his shirt in” thing but Idk about that either - why would he lay down on the bed to do that and not stand up?
The Rudy G is ultimately the only memorable scene in this movie, sadly. The rest is a mix of trying too hard and failing to recapture the magic of the original.
My thoughts - Let me preface it by laughing at the MAGA bro’s whose feelings are hurt so they’re acting like the original Borat wasn’t a Great Success
As for this movie - pretty meh. I went in with tempered expectations because you couldn’t compete with the magic of the first one. Even still, I felt let down. It had a few laughs and it wasn’t awful, but not something I’d probably have a desire watch again.
The Rudy G stuff - I don’t know what to make of it. Editing tricks aside - he comes off as a huge sleaze. But that’s not a crime. I don’t think he ever thought the girl was 15 - they were having drinks on camera together, before he got to the bedroom. No way he would be that dumb to have a drink on camera with a 15 year old girl. So that’s a bit misleading. In the bedroom, I’ve heard the “tucking his shirt in” thing but Idk about that either - why would he lay down on the bed to do that and not stand up?
The Rudy G is ultimately the only memorable scene in this movie, sadly. The rest is a mix of trying too hard and failing to recapture the magic of the original.
This post was edited on 10/22/20 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:12 pm to Tigerfan56
I am no
But your usage of it confirms my suspicions of the new film
quote:
MAGA bro
But your usage of it confirms my suspicions of the new film
quote:I never said that. It was a great comedy flick
acting like the original Borat wasn’t a Great Success
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:19 pm to Roaad
quote:
But your usage of it confirms my suspicions of the new film
What are those suspicions?
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:21 pm to Tigerfan56
quote:My earlier post:
What are those suspicions?
quote:quote:
You could ask the same question with the same emoji about how TD will respond to it.
Truth.
My concern is the execution of the sequel.
Listening to Sasha speak in recent times, it seems the movie was made to sway potential voters. Even the timing of the release screams intent.
I get a sense this will be less "jabs at general American cultural norms" as the first one was. . .and more of a "look at the evil Republicans and Trump supporters"
Maybe he can pull it off, but he has never been great at political theater.
Posted on 10/22/20 at 10:42 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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I watched Borat for the first time last week and was literally crying throughout most of the film it was so funny
I was losing it in the theater when I saw it. Went back with my brother and was laughing even harder. I can’t think of any other movie I’ve laughed so hard at, especially in the theater. My favorite comedy of all time.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 7:03 am to Tigerfan56
quote:
I watched it.
My thoughts - Let me preface it by laughing at the MAGA bro’s whose feelings are hurt so they’re acting like the original Borat wasn’t a Great Success
As for this movie - pretty meh. I went in with tempered expectations because you couldn’t compete with the magic of the first one. Even still, I felt let down. It had a few laughs and it wasn’t awful, but not something I’d probably have a desire watch again.
The Rudy G stuff - I don’t know what to make of it. Editing tricks aside - he comes off as a huge sleaze. But that’s not a crime. I don’t think he ever thought the girl was 15 - they were having drinks on camera together, before he got to the bedroom. No way he would be that dumb to have a drink on camera with a 15 year old girl. So that’s a bit misleading. In the bedroom, I’ve heard the “tucking his shirt in” thing but Idk about that either - why would he lay down on the bed to do that and not stand up?
The Rudy G is ultimately the only memorable scene in this movie, sadly. The rest is a mix of trying too hard and failing to recapture the magic of the original.
Damn, that is disapponting, but yes, as you said, its hard to recapture the hilarity of the first one.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:08 am to Funky Tide 8
It’s ok at best and even the best moments pale in comparison to even the average moments in the original. The funniest moments are all in the trailer which didn’t help. Overall a pretty forgettable movie outside of the Rudy stuff. Rudy tried so hard to frick Borat’s daughter that it felt creepy.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 12:44 pm to rebel of fortune
I just watched the new one. "Meh" is probably the best way to describe it. The movie is really about Borat's daughter and how she becomes independent and a feminist by the end of the movie.
The Rudy scene is so heavily edited that it is impossible to determine what was really said. At worst, he comes across as a somewhat flattered/embarrassed old man at this girl coming on to him heavily. The scene walking into the bedroom makes no sense. Rudy said it was to remove his microphone. If the girl offered sex or if Rudy did something inappropriate it would have been left in the film. I think the viewer will interpret this scene based on their own political leanings.
Other than that scene and the political timing of it, the film was pretty boring. It had none of the wit or biting satire of the original. Having Borat become a feminist at the end really ruined the character for me.
The Rudy scene is so heavily edited that it is impossible to determine what was really said. At worst, he comes across as a somewhat flattered/embarrassed old man at this girl coming on to him heavily. The scene walking into the bedroom makes no sense. Rudy said it was to remove his microphone. If the girl offered sex or if Rudy did something inappropriate it would have been left in the film. I think the viewer will interpret this scene based on their own political leanings.
Other than that scene and the political timing of it, the film was pretty boring. It had none of the wit or biting satire of the original. Having Borat become a feminist at the end really ruined the character for me.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:17 pm to RLDSC FAN
THIS MOVIE IS TERRIBLE
Glad I didn't have to pay for it
Glad I didn't have to pay for it
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:20 pm to Linoge
I chuckled a few times throughout. Wasn’t bad but nothing like the original. His daughter actually did pretty well.
As for the Rudy scene, he’s clearly tucking in his shirt and it was heavily edited to make it look like he was fondling himself.
As for the Rudy scene, he’s clearly tucking in his shirt and it was heavily edited to make it look like he was fondling himself.
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