re: Big Brother Season 23 Thread - LIVE Premiere July 7th 8pm ET - CBS

Yea, I watched about two episodes (maybe one and a half), and quit then after witnessing how racist the show is. I literally heard Frazier's kid bemoan another contestant for not "voting along with a black alliance".

After asking myself what would happen if the roles and races were reversed, I had to shut it down.

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If this was an alliance of 6 white people, it would be talked about as one of the greatest to ever play the game.

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If it was an alliance of 6 white people with the verbally stated sole goal of making sure that only a white person wins the game, it would be called the most racist alliance ever to play the game.

I'm not knocking the CO because it is an all black alliance (I can't speak for others on this, I am talking about myself), I'm knocking the CO because it is an alliance that was formed with the verbally stated purpose of making sure that only a black person has a chance to win this season, even if it is a detriment to their own personal games. What really pushed me over the edge for the CO was when they stated that DX was the wrong kind of POC. Hell, Big D had to be told by Azah that DX was actually a POC (he actually thought black people were the only ones that were considered POCs). And I'm not even sure if Alyssa's name has ever even been brought up as a POC.

If an all white alliance was formed with the verbally stated goal of making sure that only a white person wins the game, heads would explode. It's one thing for an all white alliance to be formed, but it would be a whole other thing if that alliance verbally stated on national television that their only goal was to make sure that only a white person has a chance to win the game.

Bamatab gets it. CBS has took feeds down all year to avoid the racist undertones. Yet, fried Aaryn & others on their season. Micha was made to seem racist when he wasn't.

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see the reaction when it is confirmed what the CO did

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I mean, in 2021 there no socially acceptable “reaction” other than pretending to be so happy and excited about the “progress” that was made. It will be fake applause and “so proud of y’all, HISTORY WAS MADE!” standing ovations from Julie and the Jury

In any other season, you can be bitter at the big alliance that ruined your game.

If you’re bitter about the Cookout you will be labeled racist and ruin any of your opportunity to be back in the future and make $$$ as an influencer post game. Not worth it, so you bend over and take it

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in most seasons they would be a large majority of the house grouping up to take out 2 or 3 people based strictly on their race.

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That’s bullshite and you know it!

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Ok good because that almost always happens

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It happens, but it doesn't happen always. Level 6 had a lesbian Filipino and a gay Latino little dude by proxy, the Bomb Squad had Devin, the Moving Company had Howard, the 8 Pack had Day, Zakiyah, and James, Paul's minions (not sure if that alliance was officially named) had Josh and Alex, and Bella was in Gr8ful.

So since BB15, there was one year (BB22) where a big alliance that was formed early in the game was all white people. All of the other major early alliances since BB15 have had non-white people in them.

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I mean, in 20+ seasons a black person has never won the game.

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A black person has won BB Canada. But with putting that aside, you can thank the BB US casting for casting black players that didn't stand a chance to fit in with previous casts. They cast players like Bayleigh (who's always one step away from going off), Day (who ends up becoming the most paranoid person in the house), Swaggy C (need I say more), or flat out crazy person like Devin so they could fit a character type instead of picking black players that would actually stand a chance of fitting in like Xavier and Kyland.

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I mean, how many alliances say they are ok with people outside of their alliance winning

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We aren't talking about an alliance formed for game purposes that doesn't want anyone outside their alliance winning, we are talking about an alliance that was formed for a stated social/racially specific cause (that they all have stated was bigger than the game) to make sure one race of people are the only ones with a chance to win the game. Huge difference from other alliances that have been formed in BBUS. To say otherwise is just being disingenuous.

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You keep saying “if a white group did this”, but in that case, in most seasons they would be a large majority of the house grouping up to take out 2 or 3 people based strictly on their race. That isn’t the same thing as a smaller group coming together based on race to take on a much larger group to see if they can get to the end together imo. There’s no challenge in it for a white group to do that. At least the CO had to fight an uphill battle.

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I'm not saying that what the CO is doing isn't an accomplishment. I'm saying that if 6 white people formed an alliance based on the verbally stated cause of making sure only a white person makes it to the end, CBS would step in and shut the whole thing down.

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And again, they haven’t been malicious in their moves to take down those outside of the alliance. They haven’t been mean or alienated anyone, and they especially haven’t played any “race card”.

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They haven't been malicious or alienating in the way that Paul and his group was, or even how Gr8ful was, I agree with that. I don't think anyone has accused them of being antagonistic or anything like that. But I'm not sure what you mean about not playing the race card. I mean they have literally said that they can't play with DX because he's the wrong kind of POC. Is that not "playing the race card"?

I'm not going to keep posting about this because I don't want to drag this thread down anymore than it already is. I personally think that I've stated my case as I see it, and if you don't agree then that is fine too. We can agree to disagree on it.

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ETA: please give a specific season, episode, and time stamp to prove this ever happened. Should be easy since it’s happened ‘most’ seasons.

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Well if your reading comprehension was above that of a second grader, you would have picked on the fact that it was a hypothetical because I said IF that ever happened, meaning it never has.

But yeah, I’m too stupid to insult

Ok it’s obvious a cookout member is winning. Which member do you wanna see win? I have to go with Tiffany. Single mom, strong woman but not annoying like mama day... and I just like her.
My second would be X... I guess.

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I'm not saying that what the CO is doing isn't an accomplishment. I'm saying that if 6 white people formed an alliance based on the verbally stated cause of making sure only a white person makes it to the end, CBS would step in and shut the whole thing down.

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But that’s because it’s fundamentally different.

A group of white people saying that would just be weird and, yes, racist, because white people win the game every year and they generally start off with a sizable majority in the house to begin with.

It just isn’t the same thing for a smaller group of black people within a larger group of HGs to say wouldn’t it be cool if we all worked together to try and have one of us be the first black winner. It’s just not.

To quote you, to say otherwise is being disingenuous.

Yall keep complaining about the CO playing for “the cause”, but wanting to be a part of the first group in 20+ seasons to make it to the end together with one of them winning is a perfectly acceptable cause, imo. What would be the equivalent “cause” for a white group doing something similar?

If the CO got together and was like hey frick these white devils we’re going to make their lives a living hell and show them who the true superior race is, that would be different. Context and approach matters.

Every year someone throws out the idea of a girls alliance. Do yall fall to your knees screaming THEYRE SEXIST!!!!!! No, it’s a fricking strategy. Of course it never makes it far and is kind of a punchline at this point, but CO stuck with it and executed it perfectly.

And if one year an all girl alliance actually develops and works because of their commitment to “the cause” to be the first all girl jury or whatever, I still doubt there would be this outrage over it anyway. This is only so offensive to yall because so many that claim to not be obsessed with race are indeed totally ate up by it.


Again, this is a fricking game and they have played it really well, and with integrity imo.


You said you didn’t know what I meant by “playing the race card”, well i mean they haven’t gone around saying if yall vote any if us out you’re racist. That’s what I mean. That’s what players like Bailey and Davonne have hinted at in the past and yall all said STFU and play the game.

Well, the CO has done that to perfection. When any of them have been in trouble or the target shifted toward someone in the alliance, they used their social connections and powers of persuasion to sway the target to someone else, the way all great alliances have throughout the history of this series. They didn’t use race as a shield or a weapon, that’s what I mean by “race card”.


Yall say oh they are just scared to say anything about it, I say there isn’t a chance in hell Brent, Whitney, Christian, or Britney had a fricking clue.

Have Claire and DX figured it out, weeks after the fact? Possibly. But the relationships Tiff and Hannah and Ky have built with them make them doubt it to this day.

And even then there are options to combat CO without actually saying it. Use your social connections with SB or Claire to convince them of the strategic advantages of taking one of them out without just saying “it’s a black alliance!!”

If they can’t figure out a way to do that, then they haven’t played a better game than the CO imo.


Yall say oh they are putting “the cause” above their own games. Players do this shite every season when they’re “just happy to make jury”, and don’t really have a plan to make it to the end and are just happy to be a part of a group that can take them as far as they can. That’s DF Azah and even Hannah to a T imo. They would have all been toast in this game without CO imo.

Sure Ky and Tiff have questioned whether they’re making the right decisions now, but again that happens every season when the numbers dwindle and people start reevaluating their positions within the group that has gotten them there.


Ultimately this is all a game and the amount of pearl clutching by some of yall who likely claim to hate all the virtue signaling in today’s world is just comical and has just gone on for so long it’s just annoying.


To use your words once again, I'm not going to keep posting about this because I don't want to drag this thread down anymore than it already is. I personally think that I've stated my case as I see it, and if you don't agree then that is fine too. We can agree to disagree on it.


Now let’s see if I can top the downvote record with the least amount of substantive replies