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re: Big Brother 24- Season Long Thread- Spoilers
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:00 pm to Bamatab
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:00 pm to Bamatab
You can’t worry about the “people on social media”
They’re little maggots who collect a pound of flesh and move onto something else. They have no attention span and will move onto attacking someone else because it’s the only power they have in their miserable lives.
They’re little maggots who collect a pound of flesh and move onto something else. They have no attention span and will move onto attacking someone else because it’s the only power they have in their miserable lives.
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:06 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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admitted that all of his thoughts were rooted in race
If he actually said this and meant it, then I'll just take the L for defending him. Horrendous read by me. If it's just PR talk that he was advised to say then this keeps getting more and more fricked up. I need to see that actual discussion.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:10 pm to illuminatic
Ftr that was Monte and T talking about what he said, I didn’t see Kyle’s actual speech.
But it was during the house meeting so I assume that will be shown on the show.
But it was during the house meeting so I assume that will be shown on the show.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:12 pm to illuminatic
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This post was edited on 4/12/23 at 3:03 am
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:12 pm to illuminatic
quote:but trying to stop a cookout 2.0 is about race at it's core. it's about stopping one race from picking off everyone else.
If he actually said this and meant it, then I'll just take the L for defending him.
he just worded it about as poorly as he could.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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So in that situation, Kyle considering that maybe there was something happening behind the scenes that they needed to consider was completely reasonable and even inevitable.
Again, I defended the Cookout. I thought it was an incredible strategy and it worked to perfection. But the flawlessness of the plan is exactly why Kyle needed to really think through all the possibilities.
The inability to do that without being cast off and crucified as untouchable is a fatal flaw in the game going forward and one of the consequences I acknowledged even while defending the original strategy of the cookout.
It also didn't seem like Kyle spent a lot of time thinking about it. He considered it and moved on pretty quickly.
The cookout strategy was brilliant. However, the only reason it worked for them was because several of them (Tiffany in particular) completely gave up her game in order to have a black winner. If every one of them had played their best game in their own best interests, it would not have worked.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:26 pm to msutiger
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Reading the conversation between Terrance and Monte you would think that Kyle was walking around calling people the N word and recruiting for the klan.
Or it could be two guys who don't think he actually committed an unforgivable egregious crime against humanity and are feeling each other out without coming out and saying it.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:31 pm to Diseasefreeforall
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The irony about Terrance being pissed off about this is that at least part of Brit and Micheal's motivation was to save black woman in Taylor, who Monte and Terrance have shite on all game, and if they hadn't done this a black person probably would have gone home.
Except it wasn't because she was black. It was because she was a number. They are literally using a black woman and the racist card to advance their own game. Not because they want to help Taylor.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:31 pm to illuminatic
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If he actually said this and meant it, then I'll just take the L for defending him. Horrendous read by me. If it's just PR talk that he was advised to say then this keeps getting more and more fricked up. I need to see that actual discussion.
I've been watching the feeds since they first came on, and nothing he has done makes me think he's a racist. I honestly believe his main reason for pitching the idea of a possible Cookout 2.0 forming, and them needing to form an alliance between him, Michael, Brittany, Alyssa & Turner was because he had fallen for Alyssa and was trying to form an alliance that he could include her into, and Turner, Michael & Brittany were the most likely to want to work with her and him together.
I mean, I'm sure there was some concern about what he pitched to Michael and Brittany, but I think his main motivation was really trying to form something that involved the people he felt closest with in the game.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:37 pm to Bamatab
I agree and I haven't seen anything that made me think he was either but we don't get to see inside his head. He had legit game reasons to try to align himself with Michael, Brittany, Turner and Alyssa but if he comes out and admits that he trusted them because they were white then.... I just need to see the house meeting so I can come to my own conclusion.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:42 pm to Bamatab
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Damn, he must've really screwed that meeting up royally. Why burn Turner like that? And why expose every alliance he's been in (I mean, it's not like everyone already knew the alliances he's been in up to this point anyways). He should've just stuck with the facts of his conversation with Michael & Brittany. Maybe he should've just self evicted.
From what I can tell from a few FB groups, he totally intended to self evict and production made a huge effort to talk him into staying. I think because of the numbers remaining. Those scouring every Twitter post say there was a meeting and he completely blew up everything he knew about his game and anyone else's and was planning on leaving. Since he was planning on leaving, his speech was just basically vomiting up everything he could think of. The Twitter folks on FB say this will not get aired. They say house meetings like this never do get on air time.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:42 pm to Bamatab
I think this still could blow up in Michael's face.
Monty saying "I look forward to talking to him during the week"
Kyle could easily come clean to monty and say "week 2 maybe 3 I told the guys that we needed to watch for a potential cookout forming"
Then tell monty.. I have no issue with a Black man or woman winning, I was just saying we have to watch for an alliance. The same way I came in and said "hey guys the other side has an alliance and we formed leftovers"
I think if he told that, Monty will realize quickly that Kyle isn't a threat to his race and that Michael is a Piece of shite using black people for his own advancement.
Monty and Terrence both seem like all around good people that can take a step back and look at the big picture.
Monty saying "I look forward to talking to him during the week"
Kyle could easily come clean to monty and say "week 2 maybe 3 I told the guys that we needed to watch for a potential cookout forming"
Then tell monty.. I have no issue with a Black man or woman winning, I was just saying we have to watch for an alliance. The same way I came in and said "hey guys the other side has an alliance and we formed leftovers"
I think if he told that, Monty will realize quickly that Kyle isn't a threat to his race and that Michael is a Piece of shite using black people for his own advancement.
Monty and Terrence both seem like all around good people that can take a step back and look at the big picture.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:48 pm to The Eric
I haven’t been able to watch or see this thread since like page 55. And now I’ve read the whole thing. Holy shite. What pieces of shite are Michael and Brittany.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:51 pm to illuminatic
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I just need to see the house meeting so I can come to my own conclusion.
I'm not sure if seeing the house meeting will truly reveal Kyle's true thoughts. He was in that diary room distraught for hours probably threatening to quit. The more I think about it, I'm sure he was coached heavily on what he should say to the house/in the house meeting.
Heck when Alyssa finally told him what Michael & Brittany were saying, he pleaded with her asking if she thought he was racist, and insisted to her that he wasn't. Then he comes out of the DR saying his thoughts were rooted in race? I wouldn't be shocked if CBS had their diversity training HR rep and/or a psychologist in there coaching his arse up on how to handle it.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 3:55 pm to Bamatab
The Cookout was racially based.
Period.
Being concerned about another racially based alliance is NOT racist.
Obviously, it has to be rooted in race, but that's not the same as being racist.
If this is the direction it goes (Kyle is racist and needs therapy to fix him) then frick everything.
Period.
Being concerned about another racially based alliance is NOT racist.
Obviously, it has to be rooted in race, but that's not the same as being racist.
If this is the direction it goes (Kyle is racist and needs therapy to fix him) then frick everything.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:00 pm to Obtuse1
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Or it could be two guys who don't think he actually committed an unforgivable egregious crime against humanity and are feeling each other out without coming out and saying it.
This is exactly what happened watching that conversation.
Terrence is older and was more willing to put the situation in its proper context. He was working the keep him close to teach him angle and Monte shut it down pretty quick.
If they had that conversation yesterday I think it could have worked but now that it’s Kyle or Taylor Monte wasn’t willing to save Kyle and send her home this week after everything, which I understand in his position.
But Monte also has the benefit of being good with everyone in the house.
T knows Kyle is one of his few allies. He has zero game connection with Taylor or Michael and Britt so this really blew his game up just when he felt like Kyle gave him a fighting chance.
So yeah he’s much more willing to cut through the bullshite because he doesn’t have the luxury of being aligned with that side like Monte does.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:05 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Keeping Kyle is a guarantee win at F2 if they're smart. Terrence wants more targets surrounding him
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:08 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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but trying to stop a cookout 2.0 is about race at it's core. it's about stopping one race from picking off everyone else.
he just worded it about as poorly as he could.
I'm no fan of the cookout. While I understand the reasoning they had to form, I have problems with the way they operated and how people cheered them on like there wasn't a completely different conversion that it opened up.
A lack of black winners was bad? Sure. Have POC been outnumbered and left out of alliances in the past? Yes. Does that justify the cookout? I don't think it does. I'm either too ignorant or racist to understand it.
With that said, I still don't think Kyle was justified in pitching a cookout 2.0 when he did. Should he have had that in mind going in? Absolutely. You'd have to be an idiot not to. Was he off base when he mentioned it? Yes. At that point in the game, it was unlikely the way things had been playing out. I also don't think it was that big of a deal either. He said it, it was a bad read. So what? It was going to get brought up at some point.
The biggest piece of the puzzle IMO is, were all of his actions following that conversation based on a desire to eliminate minorities or not. Was his intention truly to form an all white alliance and was he really untrusting of Monte because he is black. Because everyone knows Monte was ready to ride for Kyle and Turner so if we knew that, then Kyle definitely does.
Edit: One last thing, it makes me happy that Michael and Brittany are getting shite on for this. The only thing worse than an actual racist, is a performative white liberal scum bag.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:18 pm to illuminatic
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The biggest piece of the puzzle IMO is, were all of his actions following that conversation based on a desire to eliminate minorities or not. Was his intention truly to form an all white alliance and was he really untrusting of Monte because he is black.
Kyle was 100% on F5 with both T and Monte and the pound with Monte within that group.
This all started because those five decided to take out Michael and Brittney, so yeah race was clearly not controlling his game moves.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:18 pm to Bamatab
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Then he comes out of the DR saying his thoughts were rooted in race?
Of course they were rooted in race. It was a reaction to a racist season last season. This world is a joke.
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