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Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:10 am to
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:10 am to
So do we think he called a house meeting while the feeds we down? Or has he just given up and accepted that everyone thinks he a racist?
Posted by msutiger
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 8:19 am to
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Posted by Cockopotamus
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:08 am to
Which state bar is Michael a member of? Let’s weaponize the poli board to file complaints.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:31 am to
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they're literally calling this dude "KKKyle" on Twitter .


I'm just a regular white dude, but can someone explain to me how Kyle is racist but the Cookout wasn't?

This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 12:57 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:36 am to
So this will be the last that I’m going to post about it, although I am going to watch just out of morbid curiosity to see how it’s portrayed on the show, but I find it particularly abhorrent that Michael, who is a public defender, weaponized innocent game talk to crucify an opponent in a way that will cause massive real life consequences.

I understand the BB house is not a court of law, but as an attorney i just find it fascinating that he could so easily cast aside all of the ideals that are supposedly the foundation of his career, innocence until proven guilty, the right to confront his accusers, a vigorous defense in a light most favorable to the accused, etc, simply to advance his interest in a game show, albeit for potentially substantial monetary gain.


I’m just as disappointed in every other houseguest for so quickly accepting this accusation that obviously benefits Michael at the most opportune moment without even the slightest benefit of the doubt to Kyle or even taking the simple step of asking his side of the story. Even the basic thought of asking Michael why didn’t you tell us this weeks ago just doesn’t even seem to register once the specter of racism is raised. It’s just agree and run for cover to put as much distance between yourself and the accusation.


Kyle obviously doesn’t deserve the real life consequences that he will be subjected to, but that said, he actually has been quite a ruthless game player, particularly in his completely unnecessary dogging of Joseph imo, which is going to give these accusations more teeth for those that debase themselves by living in the Twitterverse.


While I think he’s a completely normal guy with little maliciousness in his heart, he isn’t a completely sympathetic figure and I tend to think he probably would have used the same tactic against Michael if the tables were turned. But he is the one who made the ridiculous mistake of voicing a valid game thought to a person like Michael that very obviously would have been offended by it and giving him the dagger to stick into his back.


Ideally, the F2 will be Monte and Michael, with Kyle casting the winning vote for Monte, who I think is a really good guy, despite his lack of fortitude to give Kyle a chance to defend himself against some very serious accusations.


But unfortunately I think it’s pretty clear we are headed toward a Michael Taylor final 2 with Michael being the far better game player, Taylor is actually awful at the game, but Taylor being less vile of a winner imo, as Michael’s ruthlessness deserves no reward.


Hopefully there was a house meeting that will air on the show, although if threre was one Kyle’s explanation clearly fell on deaf ears by the way the rest of the house continues to ostracize him and his imminent replacement nomination.


If I were Kyle, there’s no way I could go to the jury house for a month knowing the character assassination he’s clearly facing outside of the house.

My move would be finish the week, make my plea on the live eviction show to ensure an unfiltered opportunity to state my case, then tell Julie during the exit interview I would not be going to the jury house as I feel timing is of the essence in being able to defend myself, not to mention my family, in the real world and use the live eviction procedures from CBS as my stage to begin to reclaim the narrative.


Was a great season, I won’t pretend I’m not going to watch the rest because I need to see how this ends, but yeah Big Brother is pretty much broken at this point imo.


ETA: Anyone else find it funny that after talking to Monte and Michael, Turner was like no way I’m putting two black people up the block, when Michael himself put Monte and Jasmine up just last week

Ah the ability to think for oneself with logic and reason, it’s a lost art I’m afraid.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 10:03 am
Posted by komodo
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 9:47 am to
Yea, what Voodoo said. Except I'm done, "everything woke goes to shite."
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:18 am to
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That’s just it though, that’s why the cookout was so brilliant, there was no evidence.


Yes, but the crucial difference is that three of the first four people evicted were black (if Taylor was evicted week one, which was the plan)! No one black was evicted in BB23 until final 6.


Two of the first four, but that still doesn’t mean there was no possibility the remaining weren’t working together.


I’m not saying it wasn’t dumb as shite for Kyle to say it, especially to Michael. But voicing the possibility is not justification to be complete burned from all relationships he had built in the house.






I actually want to come back and address this post again as well.


In trying to understand Kyle’s mindset at the time he voiced the possibility, yes, two black people had been evicted.


But in both of those cases, there were two black people on the block, so it would have been impossible to avoid one going home.

Nicole was sitting next to Taylor, and had pretty much become public enemy #1.

And Ameerah was sitting next to Terrence, only because Turner surprised everyone by blindsiding her. And Taylor was the initial nom as well.

The only time a white person was sitting next to a black person was when the house completely blindsided Pooch when the plan all week was for Taylor to go.


So in that situation, Kyle considering that maybe there was something happening behind the scenes that they needed to consider was completely reasonable and even inevitable.


Again, I defended the Cookout. I thought it was an incredible strategy and it worked to perfection. But the flawlessness of the plan is exactly why Kyle needed to really think through all the possibilities.


The inability to do that without being cast off and crucified as untouchable is a fatal flaw in the game going forward and one of the consequences I acknowledged even while defending the original strategy of the cookout.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 10:20 am
Posted by The Eric
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:24 am to
Have to resist the urge to comment on reddit so I don't get mobbed.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 10:57 am to
I still can't believe Kyle didn't call a house meeting immediately after finding out what was going down. And if he did call one while the feeds were down (which I don't think he did), then shame on production for not showing it and giving him a legit chance to plead his case on the feeds.

But if all Kyle is going to do is mope around, and not at least try to plead his case then shame on him. That is exactly what is wrong with our society today. No one is willing to fight for themselves when they've been backed into a corner by the PC mob. I know his is in a no win situation, but if he isn't even willing to try to fight for his reputation, then he will lose some respect in my eyes.

And if he is not willing to at least try to explain his position to the house, then he should just self evict and be done with it. It ain't going to get any easier in the jury house when they hear why he got evicted.

ETA: I know I keep harping on him calling a house meeting, but damn that is so frustrating.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 11:02 am
Posted by DivotBreath
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:24 am to
Kyle’s way out is a just a couple of brief statements in front of everyone:

1. Admit to expressing a concern that they not get blind-sided by another “Cookout” alliance — that is just legitimate game planning by a fan that watched last year.

2. Note how convenient it is that Michael and Brittany have sat on this information for a month, all while working with Kyle in an alliance, and only become concerned to mention their worries when they are in danger and can weaponize the allegations against Kyle.

3. Invite Michael to cite any conversation where Kyle expressed a racist intent, and allow CBS to show that video to the house guests, and if it was said then Kyle volunteers to self-evict. They live in a bubble where they are intentionally filmed 24/7 … put up some proof. If Michael can’t back up his allegations, then Michael should self-evict. Call Michael’s bluff for what it is and he will start dialing back the bullshite he’s been spreading.

Kyle can flip the script on Michael and come out stronger. If Monte, Terrance and Taylor see the way the “false” racist card is being played by Michael (and Brittany’s coattail riding sorry arse), then one would think they would respect Kyle for standing behind his words or lack thereof.
Posted by RebelRye
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Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 11:57 am to
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CBS should just do an all POC season next season.


CBS wouldn't know what to do in terms of meddling. There would be no agenda to push and twitter/reddit would be in an uproar over not having anything to complain about. But that being said, they would probably call out CBS for the white racists on staff doing poor edits of the cast.
Posted by tzimme4
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:29 pm to
They had a house meeting last night where Kyle exposed every alliance he's been in so far.

He also exposed his final two with Turner and Terrence got pissed about something.

Terrence also told Britney and Michael they're no better than Kyle for bringing this information up when they did.

Alyssa also dumped Kyle which is why her and Turner haven't been seen near him since last night.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 12:30 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:31 pm to
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Alyssa also dumped Kyle


She is way too hot for him
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 12:35 pm to
quote:

But if all Kyle is going to do is mope around, and not at least try to plead his case then shame on him. That is exactly what is wrong with our society today. No one is willing to fight for themselves when they've been backed into a corner by the PC mob. I know his is in a no win situation, but if he isn't even willing to try to fight for his reputation, then he will lose some respect in my eyes.




Yeah agree with this tab.

Kyle had real relationships with Alyssa, Monte, Turner, and Terrence. If he can’t find the fortitude to defend himself or at the very least least ask his so called friends to think about the timing of this bomb by Michael to at least save some face he really should just walk out of the house.

Sitting there silently like some prisoner in the pillory for the townspeople to gawk at is just pathetic.
Posted by komodo
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:03 pm to
Brett from BB20 is the hero this house needs.

Posted by Cash
Vail
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

But if all Kyle is going to do is mope around, and not at least try to plead his case then shame on him.


He is a 28 year old who lived most of his life as a Mormon in Utah. He is sheltered, inexperienced and most likely has dealt with many conflicts and/or hardships in life.

He is not equipped to deal with this. He may turn make into a Mormon after this.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15118 posts
Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:05 pm to
Damn, he must've really screwed that meeting up royally. Why burn Turner like that? And why expose every alliance he's been in (I mean, it's not like everyone already knew the alliances he's been in up to this point anyways). He should've just stuck with the facts of his conversation with Michael & Brittany. Maybe he should've just self evicted.

Also good on Terrence for calling them out also.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Cash
Vail
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

Also good on Terrence for calling them out also.


I'm glad Terrence decided to start playing BB.
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

@MastermindEdit
What we know from the house meeting:

Terrance "got aggressive", confronted Mike/Britt, told them they're no better than Kyle. Monte agreed.

Britt cried after, "worst day of my life"

Kyle exposed events of Dyre Fest, The After Party, and Turner's game (their f2) #bb24


quote:

Brit: The house is mad at Kyle, but they're also not happy with me & the timing.

Michael: Terrance made the comment that he lumps us in with what Kyle did.

*cam changes*
Posted by DivotBreath
On the course
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

They had a house meeting last night where Kyle exposed every alliance he's been in so far.


Well that is a strange reaction since it does not really address the issue. There was not reason to expose all alliances and drag others into his mess.

Props to Terrance if he called out Michael and Brittany. They need to be held accountable.
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