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re: Big Brother 24- Season Long Thread- Spoilers
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:20 pm to fightingtigers98
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:20 pm to fightingtigers98
Terrence is trying to gather the Afterparty together and get out Taylor then Monte. all while this Kyle drama is happening 
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Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:22 pm to Smoke7024
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Of course they were rooted in race. It was a reaction to a racist season last season. This world is a joke.
Right, but his implication of saying his thoughts about a Cookout 2.0 was rooted in race was that he had racial biases and that he needs to work on them (through therapy apparently).
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:25 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Kyle was 100% on F5 with both T and Monte and the pound with Monte within that group.
This all started because those five decided to take out Michael and Brittney, so yeah race was clearly not controlling his game moves.
I agreed with you until Kyle said he was biased because of race. If the man says he's racist, I won't argue with him.
Kyle did tell Turner he didn't fully trust Monte btw. That didn't immediately raise any alarms with me when it happened but after Kyle's admission, it's another piece that doesn't look good for him. So if he's just saying this racial bias bull shite bc CBS told him to, he better be ready to have to answer for every little thing now. If it isn't true, he fricked up.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:28 pm to illuminatic
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The biggest piece of the puzzle IMO is, were all of his actions following that conversation based on a desire to eliminate minorities or not. Was his intention truly to form an all white alliance and was he really untrusting of Monte because he is black. Because everyone knows Monte was ready to ride for Kyle and Turner so if we knew that, then Kyle definitely does.
I think all this was a scramble due to Kyle trying to protect Alyssa. Monte and Joseph were adamant about him putting her up. Kyle tried to tip the LO numbers in his favor. Michael and Brittney sensed they were in trouble and used the race card this week to save themselves.
Meanwhile, since the conversation happened between Kyle, Michael, and Brittney, Kyle has aligned himself with Terrence and spilled the LO alliance to him while also coming back into the house and getting Monte back in with him and Turner.
If Kyle is the racist the twitter world want to make him, he has to be the worst racist ever working with Terrence and Monte and previously leading the charge to save Taylor.
If the recap of his house meeting is accurate, Kyle crapped the bed with it. That would have been the time to drop the bomb on Michael and Brittney. He could/ should have explained everything clearly and got everybody talking and thinking.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
Racists don't form alliances with people they don't like. Racists don't hug. Racists don't feel bad for what they said because the "know its the truth"
Which means Kyle is not a racist
Which means Kyle is not a racist
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:33 pm to illuminatic
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Kyle did tell Turner he didn't fully trust Monte btw.
I mean, when Monte, Kyle, & Turner met after Turner won HOH, and Monte told them they should target Michael, Kyle told Turner that he felt more comfortable talking game with Monte and Turner than anyone else in the house. That is when they discussed calling the three of the the City Counsel.
Then Kyle told Monte everything that really happened in the backyard/Dyrefest, and they tried to bring Monte into the After Party. That sketched Monte out, and Alyssa even complained to Kyle that Monte still doesn't act like he wants to work with her. Kyle could tell that Monte got sketched out, and that is when he told Turner that he didn't fully trust Monte.
At least that is how I viewed that string of events on the live feeds.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:37 pm to The Eric
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Racists don't form alliances with people they don't like. Racists don't hug. Racists don't feel bad for what they said because the "know its the truth"
Which means Kyle is not a racist
That's an awfully naive definition of racism. I think using and manipulating black people to profit, further personal careers and promote certain agendas is just as racist as not associating with "them kind over there".
I'm not accusing Kyle of this, I'm just saying using them until you have no use for them anymore is just as racist as not hugging them.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:37 pm to Bamatab
I get that when you are locked in a house for weeks and weeks you may not be thinking straight, but this was such an easy fix for Kyle.
"If I was a racist, would I be wanting to work with anyone of a different color?"
Explain how he made an error judging where the game was going but quickly realized it was a bad take and adjusted his game accordingly to align with people he felt like he could go far with, which included for a while Joseph, Monte, and Taylor, and now included Terrence.
"If I was a racist, would I be wanting to work with anyone of a different color?"
Explain how he made an error judging where the game was going but quickly realized it was a bad take and adjusted his game accordingly to align with people he felt like he could go far with, which included for a while Joseph, Monte, and Taylor, and now included Terrence.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:43 pm to ugastreaker
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I think all this was a scramble due to Kyle trying to protect Alyssa. Monte and Joseph were adamant about him putting her up. Kyle tried to tip the LO numbers in his favor. Michael and Brittney sensed they were in trouble and used the race card this week to save themselves.
Meanwhile, since the conversation happened between Kyle, Michael, and Brittney, Kyle has aligned himself with Terrence and spilled the LO alliance to him while also coming back into the house and getting Monte back in with him and Turner.
If Kyle is the racist the twitter world want to make him, he has to be the worst racist ever working with Terrence and Monte and previously leading the charge to save Taylor.
If the recap of his house meeting is accurate, Kyle crapped the bed with it. That would have been the time to drop the bomb on Michael and Brittney. He could/ should have explained everything clearly and got everybody talking and thinking.
I agree with everything you just said.
Another factor that people keep forgetting or didn't know about was the week Kyle was having that conversation with Michael and Brittany, he hadn't slept in like 2 or 3 days. The dude even lost it during a camera talk alone in the HOH room the ended with him doing what I can only describe as a Native American rain dance. I was uncomfortable even watching it.
So I'm sure you can throw in sleep deprived paranoia into the mix as well. Although I think his main motivating factor was trying to protect Alyssa.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:46 pm to The Eric
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which included for a while Joseph, Monte, and Taylor, and now included Terrence.
He had no intention of bringing any of them to the end. Turner and Alyssa were his primary concerns. Again, that makes sense for his game but it also doesn't look good to the people that want to paint him a racist. His admission to having biases will not be viewed as some positive humbling experience. I think this makes it look worse for him.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:55 pm to ugastreaker
I think Big Brother convinced Kyle that he won't get his stipend if he doesn't let the week play out and he's just going along with what they want now.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 4:59 pm to tzimme4
If he's being railroaded to say what they want, I'd tell them to kiss my arse. $1,000 per week isn't enough to make me look crazy on national TV.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:00 pm to illuminatic
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He had no intention of bringing any of them to the end
So unless he takes a POC to F2 he’s a racist??
I know that’s not what you’re saying but again he chose that final five over Michael and Brittney.
How long does he have to work with someone to avoid being labeled?
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:07 pm to Bamatab
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Another factor that people keep forgetting or didn't know about was the week Kyle was having that conversation with Michael and Brittany, he hadn't slept in like 2 or 3 days.
Help me understand the timeline tab.
Again, there were two weeks where I read no jokers updates and only kept up here and scrolling through the show.
Is the week this was brought up the same week that Taylor was HOH or soon after?
If so, the fact that Taylor Joseph and Monte were pressuring him so hard to personally backdoor his own showmance (among the most ridiculous and mean spirited game moves ever imo) kind of makes more sense that he would suspect their motivations.
Add to that the fact that Michael was also playing both sides against each other telling that side that Alyssa had to go but then manipulating Kyle by saying they supported him and didn’t like what the other side was asking him to do, wouldn’t it make sense it the midst of those conversations to say why don’t the three of us plus Turner (the only other member of the LOs not pressuring him to personally betray Alyssa) stick together toward the end if those three are only looking out for themselves??
Is that the correct timeline of when this happened?
Hell, that same week Joseph himself volunteered to go up as a pawn so people wouldn’t suspect that he and Taylor were getting too close because, well, they were getting very close lol.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:09 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I'm simply stating the things people will point to when they hear Kyle admitted he had biases. If he only said it to appease production and thinks he can defend himself outside the house, I think it's a mistake.
If he really means it and indeed based gameplay around race then it is what it is.
Also, he chose that F5 after Michael and Brittany distanced themselves. Just for reference of when things happened.
If he really means it and indeed based gameplay around race then it is what it is.
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he chose that final five over Michael and Brittney.
Also, he chose that F5 after Michael and Brittany distanced themselves. Just for reference of when things happened.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:14 pm to Tiger Voodoo
You just defended him better than he defended himself. Which makes me nervous for him.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:38 pm to illuminatic
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I'm simply stating the things people will point to when they hear Kyle admitted he had biases. If he only said it to appease production and thinks he can defend himself outside the house, I think it's a mistake.
I hear ya, and I agree it’s a mistake.
But he’s clearly under a lot of pressure and we’ve seen much more powerful and experienced people succumb to this type of pressure, so it certainly wouldn’t surprise me either way.
Hell, Michael himself makes a living having confessions thrown out for being coerced, so Kyle giving a self incriminating statement under the circumstances isn't necessarily the whole story either
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:43 pm to illuminatic
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I'm just saying using them until you have no use for them anymore is just as racist as not hugging them
That's precisely what Michael and Brittany are doing here. Using the black housemates' anger towards Kyle to benefit their own game. If they truly thought what Kyle said was racist and offensive they would have brought that to the attention of the house immediately, not when it was most convenient for their own game/survival. This is just weaponized racism to help win a tv show. What a bunch of scumbags.
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:53 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Is the week this was brought up the same week that Taylor was HOH or soon after?
I'm pretty sure Kyle first brought it up during Michael's first HOH, when he originally put up Terrence, Joseph & Monte's bestie group. Michael was toying with the idea of maybe leaving the noms the same and taking a shot at Monte, but backed down and put up Kyle/Daniel as renoms.
Now this was the week directly after the LOs pushed Kyle so hard to no use the veto on Alyssa, but Daniel bailed him out by using it. I'm think Michael's HOH was also the week that Kyle and Alyssa first kissed.
This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 8/29/22 at 5:58 pm to Bamatab
Right but that was when he just mentioned possiblility of Cookout 2.0 right?
Illuminatic says there was a second conversation later where the possible F4 alliance was floated by Kyle to go against Monte Taylor and Joseph.
Which week was that?
Illuminatic says there was a second conversation later where the possible F4 alliance was floated by Kyle to go against Monte Taylor and Joseph.
Which week was that?
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