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re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:14 am to BayouCatFan
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:14 am to BayouCatFan
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Josh deserved the win because he didn't piss off the deciding vote, which was Cody. On the other hand, Paul although he controlled the entire season forgot its a social game and his cockiness towards Cody bit him in the arse. Now you can say Paul lost it more than Josh won it, but at the end of the day Josh didnt make the critical error that Paul did, so he deserved the win.
That's one example and it does make sense, my comment was more so the blanket "whoever won deserved to win". Take S16, Victoria made final 3 simply becuase she was useless. If she made the finale and somehow, someway you had another situation where everyone just hated the actual good player and voted for victoria out of spite, there's no amount of convincing that would make me think she deserved to win. She was a bump on a log the entire season that did absolutely nothing and only made it that far because she was such a non threat in any way.
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Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:12 am to WG_Dawg
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my comment was more so the blanket "whoever won deserved to win"
I see your point.
You’re right, it is probably more succinct to say if your “game” leaves you with a bitter jury determined to vote against you no matter what, then you didn’t “play the best game”, rather than the winner always deserves the win.
I think most would agree with that
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:05 pm to AHM21
quote:well one tried to make a trained killer snap and backstabbed everyone in the house
So I ask, what's the difference between Paul and Jackson other than Paul is from California and Jackson is from Tennessee?
The other only backstabbed cliff, but after he had been backstabbed then pulled a Dan level move to survive
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:05 pm to GEAUXmedic
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:21 pm to Murray
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That's why Josh won. He didn't play a better social game. Imo, Josh tried to be the biggest piece of shite but he just couldn't outperform his mentor Paul.
Josh earned Cody's vote by owning his a-hole game play. Paul tried to convince the jury he had no hand in controlling the season when the jury members had already compared notes and realized he was behind everything. I still say had he owned that, he would have won.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:34 pm to Smokedawg
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Dan level move to survive
He wasn’t even on the block.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:44 pm to The Spleen
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Paul tried to convince the jury he had no hand in controlling the season when the jury members had already compared notes and realized he was behind everything.
I still say had he owned that, he would have won.
You could very well be right but I still think the votes that went to Josh were because they didn't want to vote for Paul and not because they wanted to vote for Josh.
It's just a matter of perspective though. In general, I do believe that the majority of winners do deserve it in some form.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 12:54 pm to Murray
For those interested someone did a timeline gif of Jackson's infractions throughout the summer and sent to EvelDick. I dont know how to post pics, so you will have to go to Twitter.
Had no idea that production was so worried about Jackson being dangerous that they removed a kitchen knife in early July. After reading it all there should be no doubt in anyones mind this guy has serious mental issues.
Had no idea that production was so worried about Jackson being dangerous that they removed a kitchen knife in early July. After reading it all there should be no doubt in anyones mind this guy has serious mental issues.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:27 pm to BayouCatFan
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there should be no doubt in anyones mind this guy has serious mental issues
Except Holly Beths mind
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:38 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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which means it’s unclear how good Jackson’s game has been
Hes had a target on his back since day 1 and has come this far. If people cant admit that he deserves to win, they are being petty.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:21 pm to JJ27
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Maybe. Or maybe it’s taken out of context and he’s talking about Cliff/Nicole.
He wasn't talking about C/N when he said they kept telling him he was reading the veto question wrong.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:36 pm to AHM21
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With the help Jackson received in the final veto
I agree. However, for the majority of people that don't feed (or Joker like I do) they simply don't see how much production helps players. If there was an actual dump of all the DRs and full non-live comps the perception of the game and a lot of the players would be different.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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If player A waltzed through the game winning everythign but was the biggest a-hole of all time, that reflects on them losing of course but says aboslutley nothing about plyaer B who would be the winner. If the jury basically says "I'm not voting for player A no matter what. I'd rather vote for bill, or mary, or hitler, or an upturned mop with a bucket for a head..literally anything or anyone that is in the other seat I would vote for instead of voting for player A"...how in the world does that mean B deserved the win?
This is the way I used to view the game. Now I realize the mop got to F2 someway. They were never voted out or if they were won a battle back. They got to F2 by winning the final HOH or convincing the winner to take them. If you get to F2 whether you fought your way there or someone drug you there it still requires gameplay, whether you or I respect or appreciate that play isn't really relevant.
I see your point, I just don't share that opinion anymore.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 9:43 pm to Smoke7024
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The jurors don't have the opportunity to find out anything that's going on in the house other than what they've seen or talk about in jury. The final two aren't given enough time to explain their games. What is it, like 45 seconds or something? They need to be able to get enough time to explain themselves and answer questions.
F2 would get more time to explain themselves if CBS wouldn’t force unnecessary fillers on us like a Swaggy engagement. They might have had 30 seconds to explain themselves. I remember being infuriated it took up their speech time.
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:11 pm to BayouCatFan
I thought they were limited to plastic knifes after the BB2 Justin Incident
Posted on 9/24/19 at 8:55 am to HHS7
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F2 would get more time to explain themselves if CBS wouldn’t force unnecessary fillers on us like a Swaggy engagement. They might have had 30 seconds to explain themselves. I remember being infuriated it took up their speech time.
Grodner is creaming her panties at the thought of a showmance making it to final two. Last season's finale was ruined by them forcing that shite down everyone's throat when we actually had a damn solid final three.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:36 am to AHM21
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Grodner is creaming her panties at the thought of a showmance making it to final two. Last season's finale was ruined by them forcing that shite down everyone's throat when we actually had a damn solid final three.
Has a showmance ever made F2 before??
Can’t recall any
Posted on 9/24/19 at 10:53 am to BayouCatFan
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For those interested someone did a timeline gif of Jackson's infractions throughout the summer and sent to EvelDick.
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:18 am to NfamousPanda
Thank you for posting.
He should’ve never entered the game. Once he was almost a month in and his Momma was threatening legal action, production protected him.
He should’ve never entered the game. Once he was almost a month in and his Momma was threatening legal action, production protected him.
This post was edited on 9/24/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 9/24/19 at 11:26 am to RUGAROO
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If people cant admit that he deserves to win, they are being petty.
He doesn't deserve to be in the Big Brother house, much less win.
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