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re: Big Brother 21 - Season Long Thread - Premiere June 25th
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:17 pm to BayouCatFan
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:17 pm to BayouCatFan
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Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:28 pm to landrywasbeast30
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You seem to consider yourself a “super fan”. If that is true, you should know what I quoted is bullshite. Anyone with a lick of sense can see that Cliff is an idiot and Jackson didn’t screw him over. For you to say what you said proves you are coming from an extremely biased place.
Let me rephrase then, Jackson made the move to keep Cliff on the block and instead of owning it blamed it on the entire situation prior to Tommy being evicted. Jackson didn't own it and say point blank that he was never screwing Holly over. Instead he blamed it on bullshite. Past losers (Paul, Tyler) lost for similar game play.
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you continue to claim Jackson has had a poor social game and poorly managed the jury. Let’s be real, that shite is personal because Christie is a manipulative bitch, and the rest are idiots.
So Christie is the reason both Cliff and Nicole are completely turned over the past week? Jackson could've handled it differently and instead he pissed off two more jurors with his style of play. Neither Cliff nor Nicole would've been happy leaving tonight but to blame Christie for Jackson's game being where it's at is wrong. It's on Jackson.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 3:56 pm to AHM21
Let's be honest. It's not really jury management at this point. The problem is that these people get too into their feelings to vote for players that play a better game. You're better off riding someone's back to the end than being the one to make things happen. You'll hurt less feelings that way.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:24 pm to Smoke7024
To be fair that has always been the game. It's about making moves without pissing people off too much at the end.
The ones that can piss people off and still win are considered legends of the game for a reason. Jackson just doesn't fall into that category because there has been zero strategy behind the way he has handled himself and played the game.
The ones that can piss people off and still win are considered legends of the game for a reason. Jackson just doesn't fall into that category because there has been zero strategy behind the way he has handled himself and played the game.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:30 pm to AHM21
quote:what about Christmas? She had a broke foot all season and production kept her til final 3
She also had a "miscarriage" and wasn't in the final three with a chance to win.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:42 pm to DivotBreath
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I would think Michie would be the last person that CBS wants to win since he is the exact opposite of the SJW agenda that the network has pushed for years.
Grodner's favs have not always been SJWs.
It is interesting to see the difference of opinion re Jackson between the "casuals" and the "feeders". While I am not a feeder I read enough Jokers to have a finger on their pulse. Feeders in general HATE Jackson I think mainly because they often see the actions in real-time and are privy to things that are far different form the edits. They are also acutely aware of the huge amount of production tampering and have seen how much Jackson has benefitted from it.
I honestly could care less who wins at this point and it has been that way for the whole season.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 5:52 pm to Smokedawg
Evidently I am the only one who thinks keeping Holly over Tommy was the smart move for Cliff/Nicole. If I were one of them I would have assumed to win the end game I would either have to beat Tommy or Jackson in F2. Tommy was great at jury management, while Jackson has been horrendous. Therefore, the easy choice was to get rid of the bigger threat who was Tommy. If your goal is to win the whole thing, then you have to play the end game.
At this point in the game I dont think anyone can really screw over another persons game. Its Big Brother and house guests need to keep in mind they are responsible for their own future in the game. Nicole hitched her wagon to Cliff and he has ruined her game, but ultimately that's on her for choosing the wrong person to align herself with. On the flip side, Jackson taking Holly over Cliff is on Cliff/Nicole because neither could win veto when it mattered most. Had they won veto Jackson would be going home and they would be in a great position for both making F2.
I am so glad Cliff is going home. He has been fake from day one and has done everything possible for more air time. First his morning chats and then carrying Orwell around 24/7. He just doesnt seem genuine to me.
At this point in the game I dont think anyone can really screw over another persons game. Its Big Brother and house guests need to keep in mind they are responsible for their own future in the game. Nicole hitched her wagon to Cliff and he has ruined her game, but ultimately that's on her for choosing the wrong person to align herself with. On the flip side, Jackson taking Holly over Cliff is on Cliff/Nicole because neither could win veto when it mattered most. Had they won veto Jackson would be going home and they would be in a great position for both making F2.
I am so glad Cliff is going home. He has been fake from day one and has done everything possible for more air time. First his morning chats and then carrying Orwell around 24/7. He just doesnt seem genuine to me.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:14 pm to BayouCatFan
Agreed!!!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 6:39 pm to BayouCatFan
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He has been fake from day one and has done everything possible for more air time.
I don’t really think he’s fake but him blaming Michie for his eviction at this point is complete bs. Everything was going along just fine until him and Nicole decided to take out Holly. Even though they reversed course the damage was done. He has no one to blame but himself.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:00 pm to BayouCatFan
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Evidently I am the only one who thinks keeping Holly over Tommy was the smart move for Cliff/Nicole.
Hmmm.
First, it would have been good TV to watch the buzzard leave and Snaxson lose his mind.
Second, Tommy likely wins the (current) HOH. He probably would want Jackson out as his biggest competition but Jackson likely still wins the Veto. So Nic or Cliff would go home tonight, probably Nic. So Cliff(or Nic), Tommy and Jackson are F3. Tommy or Jackson likely win HOH and I think either would take Cliff (or Nic) to F2 over the other.
So I think it was a dumb move not taking out Holly not because Nic or Cliff would have won $500k but one of them would have won $50k.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:21 pm to Obtuse1
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So I think it was a dumb move not taking out Holly not because Nic or Cliff would have won $500k but one of them would have won $50k.
I dont follow. Both win the 500k if they face Jackson in F2, while neither beat Tommy. Whats the point in playing to finish second? I sure hope that isnt how you live your life.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:50 pm to Obtuse1
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I honestly could care less who wins at this point
I just don’t want Holly to win..
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:58 pm to BayouCatFan
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I dont follow. Both win the 500k if they face Jackson in F2, while neither beat Tommy. Whats the point in playing to finish second? I sure hope that isnt how you live your life.
You don't follow because you have a differing opinion on the jury votes than I do. For them to beat Jackson you have to bet on a bitter jury a game jury gives the win to Jackson over Nic or Cliff. The point in playing for second is if your calculation of the situation leads you to believe you are only playing for 2nd or 3rd.
Again your opinion is based on a bitter jury, mine is based on a game jury. I would always take what I think are very high odds for 50k over very low odds for 500k assuming money is the primary motivation, which may or may not be the case for all players.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 7:59 pm to Obtuse1
But there was no chance they beat Tommy in F2
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:08 pm to Smokedawg
These two are so dumb. Did they really think they could “keep their word” and stack the odds completely against the other two and them not do anything if they had power?
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:11 pm to HHS7
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I just don’t want Holly to win..
This
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:38 pm to LSUJML
God I wish they would have sent out Holly so we would have gotten to see this douchemeister melt.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:42 pm to Lsuhoohoo
He should use the veto on Holly and she can vote Cliff out! That way she is the one breaking a promise.
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:49 pm to Tigerdad2001
Cliff ya played yourself Meatball!
Posted on 9/19/19 at 8:50 pm to Tigerdad2001
I love how he turns everything around & acts like he’s not played dirty
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