re: Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice Tomato watch 29%

Mark Hughes of Forbes Review

Just read Hughes review. I feel in the past he has been an excellent objective and more grounded comic book movie critic. His review, once I got past the box office numbers, made me feel a whole lot better.

He and Jett are usually pretty good.

If BvS turns out to be as polarizing as MoS was, Zach Snyder needs to be run out of Warner Bros studios along with his torn up over priced contract. That will be a shitty legacy to have being Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman's first time together on screen and he decided to Michael bay it up without any meaningful plot and character development.

I'll never understand what the hell DC saw in him in the first place.

I would probably be more excited but I can't stand Ben Affleck or the fact that he's playing Batman

I'm still going to go see it and I'll put in my full thoughts here because it deserves to be seen.

But if BvS indeed winds up like MoS, that's a pretty damn good indication that Snyder hasn't learned his lesson from MoS and is dead set in his movie making philosophy and how he sees the characters themselves or rather doesn't even think of them very much. He shouldn't have a 3rd strike and cannot be trusted and should have Superman and the Justice League movies taken away from him. To be fair though, he would probably work best with Batman for obvious reasons but don't expect great stories with that.

Snyder is a hack that has a sick obsession with blowing shite up, disaster porn, filtering as much color out from colorful characters and doesn't think very much of captivating plots and character development.

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The consensus is that Affleck is the very least of its problems.

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Cavill too.

Honestly, they cast Superman and Batman pretty damn well. They really look the part.

It's a damn shame they have a shitty director and mediocre writers although BvS will have to confirm the latter.

Bruce Timm could lay out the entire DCCU and provide templates for directors to follow and Timm making recommendations on the director. Could be JJ Abrams or Russo Brothers or Whedon. But really anyone but Snyder and of course, Michael Bay. People who respect stories and character development to go with action that blends in seamlessly.

Who the frick is running Warner Bros that would allow Snyder to stick around?

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Honestly, they cast Superman and Batman pretty damn well. They really look the part.

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I've even heard the acting is very well done from most of the cast. Apparently......they fricked up in the direction.

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I don't know what to think anymore. DC already has to deal with the polarizing tone and what have you. Now the clear consensus is that the film is a mess story and pace wise. It's "clunky". How do you frick this up with a film this big? This IMPORTANT?! Tone is one thing. Style is one thing. But having poor story flow? Poor editing? WTF?

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Because they rushed it, they didn't think it through, and they had a very poor creative team behind it. Nolan was almost entirely ignored during production of Man of Steel and was simply there to add credit to the project. In fact, Nolan heavily protested Superman killing Zod saying it was a total betrayal of the character, as well as the final act. They of course didn't listen to him, and Snyder and Goyer didn't have a fricking clue with what they were doing. Nolan respected Superman more than the filmmakers did.

I can't help but get the impression that Snyder and Goyer despise the character of Superman. Seems like they're fine with Batman, but these people never wanted to make a Superman movie aside from the prestige that came with it. Superman should be an idealist and what mankind should strive to achieve. Instead Superman after being responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands taunts the government by destroying their multi-million dollar aircraft saying he's better than them and dares them to come after him further. And subconsciously, this is what Snyder and Goyer are saying to the fans.

I think we just recently reached a breakthrough last year. The up and coming film makers are now actual fans of the properties. JJ Abrams made the Star Wars film he wanted to see as a fan, and I as a fan of Star Wars fricking loved it. It is the Star Wars film I've had in mind for a while. Passion projects are coming out of the woodwork, and I hope they're here to stay.

It is just amazing to me Bruce Timm was not consulted for this project, who is a true fan and professional. But of course Snyder and Goyer treat their fans with contempt and automatically think their live action work is better than animation. You saw this exact same shite behind the scenes with "The Last Airbender", and then of course it blows up in their face because their contempt has blinded them to the nature of the world and what their fans actually want. The real professionals are the ones who know and love the characters they build up. There was just a real heartlessness with Man of Steel that rubbed me the wrong way, and the only one who I think had any real heart in this project is Ben Affleck. That's just plain sad.

The reviews I have seen have said that Affleck, Cavill, Gadot, and Eisenberg all pulled in solid performances.

For the 1000th time, superman killing zod isn't a betrayal to the character. Superman will kill if necessary.