re: Apparently, Seth MacFarlane hates women

I'm not sure what you are arguing...that's exactly what I said.

I've kind of always assumed he was gay and just didn't feel like being gay.

Whatever, don't care either way.

I thought the boobs song was hilarious. I don't care for Family guy or most of his political viewpoints, but Seth is a talented guy and I enjoyed him on SNL and The Oscars. Well, as much of the Oscars as I got to see (thanks Comcast).

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if yours was the prevalent view, we'd have heard more about it by now

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Seeing as how virtually every major online media outlet has carried this story, yeah, I'm totally in the minority. Huffington Post, The Atlantic, LA Times, New Yorker, CNN, Gawker, Jezebel -- those are just the results that show up on the first page of google.

Crawl out from under your rock and read/watch more than Fox News.

I skipped it because I thought it was ridiculous, if in fact it is me you're talking about. It's ridiculous because men don't have the same experience as women. If you split things along gender lines, men don't have the same experience of marginalization that women have had; as such, there's not that same visceral reaction that causes things to be perceived as belittling or denigrating of accomplishments.

Because of the indisputable existence of the marginalization of women in our society, a marginalization that still exists today (albeit in a lesser form, I don't dispute that), I'm completely sympathetic to these people crying foul at what Seth did. Many of those women I'm sure felt that going topless was either artistic or added some sort of substance to the film -- his little song and dance essentially says to them, "It's cute that you think that, but all we really care about is your tits."

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I skipped it because I thought it was ridiculous, if in fact it is me you're talking about. It's ridiculous because men don't have the same experience as women. If you split things along gender lines, men don't have the same experience of marginalization that women have had; as such, there's not that same visceral reaction that causes things to be perceived as belittling or denigrating of accomplishments.

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You have argued yourself into the position that women are an inferior class of human being that should be protected from the offense of humor because they are incapable of being rational.

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Many of those women I'm sure felt that going topless was either artistic or added some sort of substance to the film -- his little song and distance essentially says to them, "It's cute that you think that, but all we really care about is your tits."

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And here you deliberately sidestep the point Baloo and I made again. The same joke could be told about a lot of the male actors in the audience.

1 - I don't know who the hell Margaret Lyons is or why I should care what she thinks. Sounds like a weather chick on channel 6 news.

2 - Something about the way Seth McFarlane looks really creeps me out. Like he's a stepford oscar host or something.

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You have argued yourself into the position that women are an inferior class of human being that should be protected from the offense of humor because they are incapable of being rational

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I disagree, and if I've led you to that conclusion I have not articulated myself very well, which is definitely possible. It's not about protecting them from their inability to be rational (I think we both probably think that's garbage), it's about being respectful of the differences in the way men and women have been and continue to be treated.

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And here you deliberately sidestep the point Baloo and I made again. The same joke could be told about a lot of the male actors in the audience

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It's not sidestepping, I addressed it. Look above that when I said differing experiences have influenced perception. Make the we saw your pecker jokes all you want -- it doesn't have the same sting because men have always been taken seriously in the workplace. I don't know how to express that more clearly

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It's not sidestepping, I addressed it. Look above that when I said differing experiences have influenced perception. Make the we saw your pecker jokes all you want -- it doesn't have the same sting because men have always been taken seriously in the workplace. I don't know how to express that more clearly

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You believe you've addressed it but you've missed the point. There is nothing innately offensive about making the kind of joke Seth made when it would be OK if made about the men in the audience.

You are arguing women (but not men) should be shielded from their tendencies toward defensiveness. That belittles their equal status as human beings capable of rational thought and humor.

I think I get what you are saying. Historically, men don't have as much sand in their vaginas as women.


With some exceptions.

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I'm simply stating that different jokes impact different groups of people differently based upon a number of factors. Do you disagree with that? If so, I suppose this discussion is pointless.

If you do agree, I don't understand why you can't understand that this particular joke would be offensive to women and not men, just like some jokes would be offensive to men and not women.

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Agree with the first statement - obviously we are all subject to individual biases. But the implication of this is not that we should become extremely sensitive to our biases and demand extreme protection from being offended... the implication of this is that we should question ourselves when we don't like something.

Disagree with the second statement because it is the individual biases (of some men and women) that are ruining the joke for them. The joke would be a problem if it could not be applied to men and have the same probable humor. Because it can be applied equally to men it is not the joke that is the problem IMO.