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re: Anyone in the Star Wars:TFA was really disappointing category?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:40 pm to illuminatic
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:40 pm to illuminatic
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I guess there isn't really a real life precedent for building a Death Star to use as a reference.
Once the new independence day comes out we should have a better frame of reference for floating space weapon/bases.
Then and only then we be able to talk true plausibility.
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:41 pm to bayoudude
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I was really pissed that they had to fight ANOTHER death star type weapon
This was my one quibble with the movie.
I think it was away to advance the new direction they wanted to go. The Republic had won the war and was pretty powerful which would prevent the first order from making their climb.
Their solution was to wipe out the republic. That way the resistance has to struggle.
It was dumb frankly, but I can live with it, because the rest of the movie was so good.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:43 pm to Dam Guide
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Ah, I totally forgot they showed that part. I just remember Anakin getting the plans.
I hate to correct you a 2nd time, but it was Christopher Lee, i forget his character name, ETA: Dooku, just dawned on me
that gets it from one of the bugs at the end of AOTC This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:51 pm to RLDSC FAN
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My biggest issue with the film. It just blows my mind that they couldn't come up with anything more original. I mean this is now the third death star that's been destroyed. When will the bad guys realize these things don't work well
Agreed. Absolutely unnecessary.
That said, Abrams did a great job of putting that plot in the background in favor of the personal conflicts within the characters. ROTJ did the same thing. This was a problem in the Prequels as Lucas put more focus on battles and politics than on the development/conflicts of the indiviudal characters.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:53 pm to asurob1
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I was really pissed that they had to fight ANOTHER death star type weapon
This was my one quibble with the movie.
I mean, if you've got unlimited resources and need galactic control, a weapon that will destroy planets is pretty effective.
Its a nice allusion to the atomic bomb and the fear that was very real in peoples minds during the original trilogy.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:55 pm to illuminatic
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The prequels come out and everyone screams, "This isn't Star Wars. It's a political thriller." TFA comes out, "Where are the politics?"
I didn't hate the plot the prequals had at all. I've never claimed that in any posts except some slight features from phantom menace. I enjoyed the overarching political aspects of it. I think you can make the argument that the people that didn't like the slightly more highbrow space opera stuff of the prequels are the ones fawning over the "feel of the OT" that this brought back to them, by being essentially a copy in almost every plot point of a new hope, and paying an absurd amount of fan service as opposed to actually expanding on the Star Wars universe.
Should have just called it a reboot, instead of episode 7. Would have had no complaints then and it seems like that is what people wanted anyways.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:55 pm to elprez00
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I mean, if you've got unlimited resources and need galactic control, a weapon that will destroy planets is pretty effective.
If they used a little of those resources to make them X-wing proof, they'd really be in business.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:01 pm to TigerTalker142
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I enjoyed the overarching political aspects of it. I think you can make the argument that the people that didn't like the slightly more highbrow space opera stuff of the prequels
There is nothing "highbrow" about the overarching political plot of the prequels. Unless you think just referencing political terms is highbrow.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:02 pm to illuminatic
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I guess there isn't really a real life precedent for building a Death Star to use as a reference
but we do have examples of massive government projects that took off in a relatively short time, like the US build up for WWII (or the German one for that matter) the US and Soviet space programs. WE went from minimal space program to landing on the Moon in less than a decade. This is an authoritarian dictatorship with an entire galaxy worth or resources and more advanced technology. So i stand by my assesment that building a 2nd one that is operational but not complete in 3-4 years is more realistic than taking 18 years to build the first.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:05 pm to Master of Sinanju
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If they used a little of those resources to make them X-wing proof, they'd really be in business.
X-Wing: The Swiss Army Knife of starfighters.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:05 pm to Antonio Moss
Slightly more highbrow is being used relatively, and compared to TFA it certainly could be deemed "slightly more highbrow". They didn't try for sitcom laugh track moments every minute at the very least. And the plot felt like it had a bit more substance and originality to it then what we saw in the most recent movie.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:19 pm to TigerTalker142
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I didn't hate the plot the prequals had at all
what is it exactly?
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I enjoyed the overarching political aspects of it. I think you can make the argument that the people that didn't like the slightly more highbrow space opera stuff of the prequels are the ones fawning over the "feel of the OT" that this brought back to them, by being essentially a copy in almost every plot point of a new hope, and paying an absurd amount of fan service as opposed to actually expanding on the Star Wars universe.
Why don't just say people that hate the prequels and like TFA are dumb and you are smart? The problem with the "politics" in the prequels is not that they are too highbrow for the Star Wars crowd, but just the opposite. Lucas is a limousine liberal who's politics seems to be no deeper than D's good R's bad and it shows on screen. The problem with the "plot" and politics in the prequels is that they don't really make any sense and come across as very childish.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:49 pm to asurob1
quote:Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon that could not be duplicated. Empire was corny as shite, and nowhere near the movie that the first one is.
Lucas did a nice job creating 1 movie that everyone loved. It's no coincidence that the most universally loved Star Wars movie is the Empire Strikes Back...something old George didn't direct.
"Scruffy nerf-herder!" Yeah, that was brilliant.
quote:JJ has no talent.
So yeah, good job George, you created a universe for us to play in...now go count your billions and let actual talent continue to play in it.
quote:No one could re-create the OT, JJ least of all. Maybe if George hadn't had his mind softened from years of living in wine country with idiot liberals, the prequels wouldn't have been so painfully stupid.
JJ rebooted Star Wars...something that was desperately needed. After 30 years of George doing everything he could to kill the universe.
An elected, teenage queen. That has liberal dipshit written all over it.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:51 pm to blueboy
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Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon that could not be duplicated. Empire was corny as shite, and nowhere near the movie that the first one is.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 1:53 pm to TigerTalker142
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Downvote away,
you got it bud. downvote
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:04 pm to FreddieMac
quote:They didn't want to get punished for thinking it sucked.
Took my 13, 11, and 9 year old boys to see this movie. Their reactions to the movie was all I needed to see to know this is their ANH. They are still talking about the movie the next morning. It is just a fun movie with a great story.
Kids will have their own Star Wars type of iconic movie. Forcing our own childhoods on them is absurd.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:07 pm to illuminatic
quote:Uh, no. I don't give a shite about messages or politics in movies. Hollywood people aren't qualified to try and educate us on the subject. Most of us just want a good story, and we didn't get it with either this or the prequels.
The prequels come out and everyone screams, "This isn't Star Wars. It's a political thriller."
TFA comes out, "Where are the politics?"
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:08 pm to blueboy
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They didn't want to get punished for thinking it sucked.
Kids will have their own Star Wars type of iconic movie. Forcing our own childhoods on them is absurd.
You've been working really hard to poo poo all over this movie.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 2:18 pm to MightyYat
quote:Someone has to.
You've been working really hard to poo poo all over this movie.
But I mean it. We had Star Wars as kids, and today's kids will have their own movie. We can't expect that they will be as blown away by this as we were when SW came out. I'm not sure it's possible for any movie to have that kind of effect, especially seeing as how SW created the mold that all other "blockbusters" are made to emulate.
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