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re: Anton Chigurh isn’t real
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:09 am to Honest Tune
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:09 am to Honest Tune
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He’s not though. His damn bone was sticking out of his skin after that car hit him.
Yeah and then he buys a T-shirt and walks away.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:17 am to Stonehog
He bought a T-shirt to make it an arm sling. Which acknowledges that he felt pain. Which makes him real even in his own mind.
Like I mentioned earlier, the better twist in the movie is that TLJ, not Josh Brolin, is the main character in the film.
All aside, this is one of the best movies ever made.
Like I mentioned earlier, the better twist in the movie is that TLJ, not Josh Brolin, is the main character in the film.
All aside, this is one of the best movies ever made.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:18 am to Stonehog
You can't discount it because its a novel and they're full of symbolism and imaginary boogeyman...
His favorite novel was the allegory Moby Dick.
His favorite novel was the allegory Moby Dick.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:21 am to Stonehog
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Yeah and then he buys a T-shirt and walks away
In bells idea of this imaginary person he's still gonna take time to exchange currency for goods?
He's obviously a real person dude
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:21 am to Stonehog
I mean, I guess that's one way to look at it. Can't say I agree at all though
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:25 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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You can't discount it because its a novel and they're full of symbolism and imaginary boogeyman...
Thank you. I’m a little surprised at folks taking a work of fiction so literally.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:29 am to Stonehog
I’m surprised somebody would take McCarthy’s writings, noted for their complete simplicity and authenticity, and add a completely unbelievable theory that has no support to back it up.
Maybe the shark in Jaws wasn’t real either, I dunno.
Maybe the shark in Jaws wasn’t real either, I dunno.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 11:30 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:30 am to Stonehog
This theory holds no water by the simple fact of Chigurh’s interactions with multiple characters in the story.
I think it would be disingenuous to say half the movie originates from the dreams and/or thoughts of the sheriff. This isn’t a David Lynch movie.
Theories like this only work if the character in question isn’t directly acknowledged by others and is not present in scenes without the person this imaginary character originates from.
For example, it’s a popular theory that Donnie in The Big Lebowski isn’t real and is a figment of Walter’s imagination and The Dude simply plays along.
I think it would be disingenuous to say half the movie originates from the dreams and/or thoughts of the sheriff. This isn’t a David Lynch movie.
Theories like this only work if the character in question isn’t directly acknowledged by others and is not present in scenes without the person this imaginary character originates from.
For example, it’s a popular theory that Donnie in The Big Lebowski isn’t real and is a figment of Walter’s imagination and The Dude simply plays along.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 11:33 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:34 am to Samso
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This theory holds no water by the simple fact of Chigurh’s interactions with multiple characters in the story.
I think it would be disingenuous to say half the movie originates from the dreams and/or thoughts of the sheriff. This isn’t a David Lynch movie.
Theories like this only work if the character in question isn’t directly acknowledged by others and is not present in scenes without the person this imaginary character originates from. For example, it’s a popular theory that Donnie in The Big Lebowski isn’t real and is a figment of Walter’s imagination and The Dude simply plays along.
Well, this is just wrong. I'm not saying that the theory is correct per se, or that I even like it.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:39 am to Honest Tune
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completely unbelievable theory that has no support to back it up.
Did you watch the video? There is support. Why are you taking this so personally?
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:46 am to Stonehog
No I didn’t watch the video, but I will.
I just really like the movie as it is, that’s all. I’m not taking it personally. Alternate theories are cool to me when they have some legs to stand on. That said, who really knows except McCarthy??
I just really like the movie as it is, that’s all. I’m not taking it personally. Alternate theories are cool to me when they have some legs to stand on. That said, who really knows except McCarthy??
Posted on 4/16/21 at 11:51 am to Honest Tune
Like I said, Moby Dick was Cormac's favorite novel.
Ahab is a brooding, proud, solitary figure. (Bell)
Ahab vows revenge on the animal, even though others, like Starbuck, warn him that no “revenge” is possible against a “dumb animal.” (Chigurth)
Ahab admits that he is not just hunting Moby Dick, but “whatever lies behind” the whale, and his quest becomes a kind of metaphor for the human condition, battling for meaning and life in a world and against forces that are at once incomprehensible and unconquerable.
(The theory behind this take.)
As some people argue Moby was in Ahab's head like Don Quixote chasing windmills. Ahab conjures up the biggest baddest beast in the ocean to solve his problems of the world around him.
Ahab is a brooding, proud, solitary figure. (Bell)
Ahab vows revenge on the animal, even though others, like Starbuck, warn him that no “revenge” is possible against a “dumb animal.” (Chigurth)
Ahab admits that he is not just hunting Moby Dick, but “whatever lies behind” the whale, and his quest becomes a kind of metaphor for the human condition, battling for meaning and life in a world and against forces that are at once incomprehensible and unconquerable.
(The theory behind this take.)
As some people argue Moby was in Ahab's head like Don Quixote chasing windmills. Ahab conjures up the biggest baddest beast in the ocean to solve his problems of the world around him.
This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 11:53 am
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:07 pm to Stonehog
I've also seen a lot of theories on the Shining on Youtube and the "Wendy Theory" has garnered some interest. After watching the video, I agreed with some of the Wendy Theory, but not entirely. (The idea being that Jack is doing his best to make things work at the Hotel but Wendy is schizophrenic and hallucinating him doing bad things). There actually is a lot to corroborate the theory, but it just doesn't hold up entirely. I prefer to think that the forces at work at the Hotel are having a malevolent influence on all three members of the family.
That's what I'm getting here. Upon initial viewing of NCFOM, I might go along with the figment of imagination theory, but there is just too much contradictory evidence to support it entirely. Anton is very real, in some sense.
That's what I'm getting here. Upon initial viewing of NCFOM, I might go along with the figment of imagination theory, but there is just too much contradictory evidence to support it entirely. Anton is very real, in some sense.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:14 pm to HabaneroBuck
Stonehog, you'll be receiving a bill for the bit of time and energy of my life you wasted with this stupid thread.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 12:29 pm to Stonehog
I watched the video, and a lot of the points are really good, but the statement that he isn't "real" is, at minimum, poor choice of words.
I would agree that Chigurh may represent more than one person, or persons, within the context of the movie, but that is different than saying he isn't "real". My understanding was always that Chigurh was "death imbodied", and that his character is, at least in part, representative of the certainty of death, and the wanton and careless cruelness in which is manifests. I don't think any of this is a stretch - it seems fairly obvious to anyone who has seen the movie even once.
The stuff about the connection to other McCarthy books was neat. I haven't read The Road, but will take a look this summer.
I would agree that Chigurh may represent more than one person, or persons, within the context of the movie, but that is different than saying he isn't "real". My understanding was always that Chigurh was "death imbodied", and that his character is, at least in part, representative of the certainty of death, and the wanton and careless cruelness in which is manifests. I don't think any of this is a stretch - it seems fairly obvious to anyone who has seen the movie even once.
The stuff about the connection to other McCarthy books was neat. I haven't read The Road, but will take a look this summer.
Posted on 4/16/21 at 1:40 pm to AlxTgr
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Then the one on one scene with Woody makes no sense.
Or the one where he goes back and kills Stephen Root for sending more people after the money and tells the accountant “That’s foolish. You pick the one right tool.”
Posted on 4/16/21 at 1:48 pm to Samso
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it’s a popular theory that Donnie in The Big Lebowski isn’t real and is a figment of Walter’s imagination and The Dude simply plays along.
"Phones ringing dude"
Posted on 4/16/21 at 1:53 pm to WG_Dawg
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So who kills the people we see anton kill on screen?
White supremacy
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