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re: Andor Season 2 Discussion (All Episodes Available)
Posted on 5/18/25 at 4:04 pm to thenza
Posted on 5/18/25 at 4:04 pm to thenza
Maybe I misunderstood what happened there then because I don’t use subtitles. There were multiple scenes of him staring that girl down, approached her in the alley and she slapped him, and he was staring her down in the plaza as well. Seemed to me he “took a liking” to her
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 4:09 pm
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Posted on 5/18/25 at 4:08 pm to Proximo
I think the time jumps made things kinda murky.
He thought he was there to sniff out “outside agitators.” As it turns out, he was unknowingly the outside agitator. Dedra knew all along about the Empire’s plan and used him as a useful idiot to foment insurrection. He never knew until the end that he was being used.
I think the Ghormans figured him out in that time jump period we didn’t get to see. This, when he told her he was afraid there were outside agitators making things worse, she saw him as the hypocrite he was.
He thought he was there to sniff out “outside agitators.” As it turns out, he was unknowingly the outside agitator. Dedra knew all along about the Empire’s plan and used him as a useful idiot to foment insurrection. He never knew until the end that he was being used.
I think the Ghormans figured him out in that time jump period we didn’t get to see. This, when he told her he was afraid there were outside agitators making things worse, she saw him as the hypocrite he was.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 4:10 pm to thenza
found people on Reddit discussing this exact issue I had as well because it doesn’t make sense with the pacing. They basically write it off to he got to know the locals and had sympathy for them as well as being used also
But, he knew that going into the relationship. She deliberately wouldn’t discuss things with him (a couple times they made a point of it) and he didn’t mind. She tells him to shut up and do what I say and we’ll have a good life, yet he goes into the plaza and they show him pining after that girl
it just seemed off to me with his character development
But, he knew that going into the relationship. She deliberately wouldn’t discuss things with him (a couple times they made a point of it) and he didn’t mind. She tells him to shut up and do what I say and we’ll have a good life, yet he goes into the plaza and they show him pining after that girl
it just seemed off to me with his character development
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 4:41 pm to lostinbr
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, I feel like one of the takeaways from Andor is that (at least during this period of time) the only true supervillains are Vader and Palpatine
Watching Andor in a vacuum I agree, but Tarkin was 100% the supervillain that the Emporer and Vader were. The concept of ruling the galaxy through fear and terror instead of organized government wasn't called the Tarkin Doctorine for no reason.
Posted on 5/18/25 at 6:13 pm to Proximo
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But, he knew that going into the relationship. She deliberately wouldn’t discuss things with him (a couple times they made a point of it) and he didn’t mind. She tells him to shut up and do what I say and we’ll have a good life, yet he goes into the plaza and they show him pining after that girl
Yes, when it started off he was OK with that arrangement. He desperately wanted to be useful, and he would do anything for Dedra as well. He thought they were running some sort of sting operation to identify “outside agitators” - i.e. the rebellion. At the same time, he didn’t technically work for ISB so he would not have the same clearances as Dedra. But he trusted her. And the Empire, for that matter.
Then over time he starts to sympathize with the Ghormans. But he pushes on because he still thinks that he’s there to eliminate outside agitators. He doesn’t know - or, at minimum, doesn’t want to believe - that the Empire are actually the ones doing the agitating. I mean from his POV why would the Empire want to stoke rebellion on Ghorman?
I think his “pining” after the Ghorman girl is meant to show us his sympathy for the Ghormans, more than being any sort of real romantic interest.
Then eventually it becomes undeniable, even for him. Clearly the Empire’s intentions are more nefarious than he’s been led to believe by Dedra. That realization breaks him, which is why he wanders back out into the plaza.
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it just seemed off to me with his character development
I disagree. I think his arc was very well done. And the actor sold the nuance of it very well IMO.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 9:13 am to lostinbr
My only nitpick
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:28 am to Scoob
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I suppose Kleya, Vel and Wilmon are going to be working with the Bothans sometime in the future?
We need that story.
But only if Tony Gilroy tells it.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Jesus they stuck that landing so perfectly. Amazing show.
The best SW since Empire Strikes Back, and it isn't even close.
What it really does is piss me off royally that they fricked up so many other major projects since Rogue One (which I loved at the time, but absolutely CANNOT WAIT to go back and re-watch now that that arc is complete).
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:33 am to sicboy
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to emphasize what an amazing character Kleya was
The MVP of the Rebellion, IMO.
Cassian takes silver. His redemption story was epic.
I enjoyed RO at the time, even when others were being edgy as they dismissed it. This series elevates it to ANH/ESB level to me.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:38 am to sicboy
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She was the 3rd option for that role. And she owned it right from the start.
It's my understanding that this was her first major credit out of acting school.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:48 am to DarthRebel
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we are going to miss Kleya with her tight pants and boots
Athleisurewear Kleya was the best Kleya.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 7:51 am to BottomlandBrew
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Harry Turtledove
Dude was the master of alternate history.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:18 am to TeddyPadillac
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It also shows you the respect that Tarkin had from Vader as he was probably the only person in the galaxy who wasn't afraid of him and just acted normal around him.
Plus, Vader was 1000% outside the Imperial chain of command. There's an established military structure (Navy, Infantry, Mobile Artillery, Special Forces, Tactical Ops - There's even a navy blue-clad TSA running security at the Senate, FFS), with a seemingly limitless bureaucracy propping it all up and supporting the machine.
Vader was external to all of that, but still had everyone running around him in abject panic and for good reason.
The development of intel agencies within the Empire, particularly the Imperial Security Bureau was a masterstroke. I'm going to be gushing about the additional world-building they did within the Empire for quite some time.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:29 am to Corinthians420
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I would definitely recommend this show to people that dont even care about star wars.
That's where I was on the Battlestar Galactica reboot. Yeah, it's set in space. There are ships and planets, etc, but it was just good television.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:39 am to Proximo
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Dedra was the most compelling character in the entire series. She’s a hell of an actress
Kleya takes the gold for me, but I think I've already stated as much in an earlier post this morning.
The new glimpse into Mon Mothma was welcome, too.
I didn't get caught up on the whole thread, as I just picked up where the final 3 eps aired last week, but I don't hate the move from Jimmy Smits to Benjamin Bratt as Bail Organa. I like Bratt's gravitas.
My question regarding him being this integral to the Rebel Alliance is this, however: I get it that the Senate still acts as an elected body, if only to rubber-stamp Palpatine's agenda and maintain the illusion of dEmOcRaCy within the Empire - In what universe does it make sense that a rogue Senator's daughter would be allowed to serve in her father's seat when he is effectively a known defector?
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:49 am to TigerFanatic99
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Emporer
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:05 am to VoxDawg
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don't hate the move from Jimmy Smits to Benjamin Bratt as Bail Organa. I like Bratt's gravitas.
My question regarding him being this integral to the Rebel Alliance is this, however: I get it that the Senate still acts as an elected body, if only to rubber-stamp Palpatine's agenda and maintain the illusion of dEmOcRaCy within the Empire - In what universe does it make sense that a rogue Senator's daughter would be allowed to serve in her father's seat when he is effectively a known defector?
Yeah i thought he was a good casting choice as Bail as well.
Im pretty sure only the other high up rebels knew he was a defector, not the empire
Posted on 5/21/25 at 9:35 am to Corinthians420
I haven't watched Rebels all the way through, but I believe someone mentioned at a time that there's an episode in S3 that discusses how the Spectres are the ones to transport Mon Mothma to Yavin. (48 years later and we just now get "YAWH-vin"?)
I'd have to dig more into Leia's succession to her father's Senate seat.
I'm also curious how/when Bail returns to Alderaan, prior to the Death Star's arrival and subsequent "demonstration" by Tarkin.
I'd have to dig more into Leia's succession to her father's Senate seat.
I'm also curious how/when Bail returns to Alderaan, prior to the Death Star's arrival and subsequent "demonstration" by Tarkin.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:34 am to VoxDawg
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We need that story.
But only if Tony Gilroy tells it.
Pretty sure he said he's done with this shite.
Posted on 5/21/25 at 10:48 am to TigerFanatic99
That makes me sad. He's got a great feel for what makes good Star Wars.
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