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re: Amazon's Wheel of Time adaptation casting news: The 5 Emond's Fielders are cast

Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:05 pm to
Posted by David Bowman
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:05 pm to
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Think of our own civilization back in the day.


Don't forget that the world of WoT is probably the far future, not the past, after multiple "breakings" of the world. Far future earth would probably be diverse, just sayin.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:06 pm to
First of all, WOT is very diverse. Each region has a fairly defined ethnicity.

Second, the two Rivers folk ARE described as darker than the rest of Andor. A lot of people have defined this in different ways, some people have thought Mediterranean, others have suggested vaguely latin, etc.

It is what it is. Does it REALLY matter that Perrin is half black? Black and white etc have no definition in this world, so its not really a big deal
Posted by EGCROSS
Northern Idaho
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:06 pm to
I agree, I’m so sick of them forcing a sacrifice for the diversity gods. It’s got to end. It takes people right out of the show. Yes it will still be popular but damnit quit insulting us with this.
Posted by David Bowman
Member since Jul 2019
234 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:07 pm to
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Far future earth would probably be diverse, just sayin.


Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe everyone will just be really tan in the far future.
Posted by EGCROSS
Northern Idaho
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:08 pm to
White people need acting jobs too.
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:50 pm to
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Nynaeve al'Meara

Zoe Robins


That weave had best be put in with JB Weld
Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2017
1636 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 3:54 pm to
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That weave had best be put in with JB Weld 


Hah. For her screen test she had to pull a locomotive with those braids.

I hear she also had the most smoothed out skirt in all Hollywood.
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2904 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:27 pm to
I have put some thought into "Let's make Perrin black". I pictured a bunch of SJW producers and writers sitting around a table drooling over Perrins story line with the Whitecloaks. They get to have a bunch of white guys called "Whitecloaks" who are borderline naziesque (you can bet they won't be diverse for diversity sake) go own a mission to lynch black Perrin, murder his entire black family etc etc. It will be insufferable. Forget that he was white in the books and it had nothing to do with race. You can bet it will be implied in the show....
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:34 pm to
First of all, I don't think they are making that intentional at all. The Two Rivers folk ARE described as darker than the rest of Andor. That is a thing.

I do think the visual of the Whitecloaks now that "Perrin is black" could be problematic.
Posted by Aubie Spr96
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:38 pm to
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I do think the visual of the Whitecloaks now that "Perrin is black" could be problematic.



Hopefully, they'll omit the whole Whitecloak story line. I hated it along with the Elaine succession story line.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11768 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:42 pm to
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First of all, WOT is very diverse. Each region has a fairly defined ethnicity.


Well, that is the point I was making. The two rivers wasn't diverse except for Rand who was an Odd Ball for the area.

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Second, the two Rivers folk ARE described as darker than the rest of Andor. A lot of people have defined this in different ways, some people have thought Mediterranean, others have suggested vaguely latin, etc.


I guess we can ignore the book covers and any other artwork that has ever been done related to the books over the years.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128137 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:50 pm to
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I guess we can ignore the book covers and any other artwork that has ever been done related to the books over the years.



Jordan has talked about the book covers a lot and has said that they don't represent necessarily his vision for a lot of the characters.

I've read these books a million times. The Two Rivers folks are DEFINITELY described as darker than the rest of Andor. That isn't even a question.

But they also are definitely not black. More dark tan, dark hair, dark eyes...Mediterranean.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11768 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:51 pm to
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Don't forget that the world of WoT is probably the far future, not the past, after multiple "breakings" of the world.


I don't think this is a fact.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11768 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:52 pm to
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But they also are definitely not black. More dark tan, dark hair, dark eyes...Mediterranean.


What is your point exactly? Three Rivers isn't diverse and it isn't black people.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 4:53 pm
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2904 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:54 pm to
I guess you can also ignore that Tuon is clearly black and RJ goes to great lengths to describe her as such even so mu h as talking about her tightly curled hair and yet all of Perrins descriptions are that of a "shaggy" haired white dude. Nynaeve will be a similar story line I am sure. Now that she is black as well it will be all about how the Aes Sedai in the tower are trying to keep her down because she is a powerful black woman....
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11768 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 4:57 pm to
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I've read these books a million times.


No you have not.

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The Two Rivers folks are DEFINITELY described as darker than the rest of Andor. That isn't even a question.


The two rivers folk mention how dark skinned those from Tear and the Seanchean and Athan Miere are. They talk about other people being dark skinned when they see them for first time. That is what I recall.

You are comparing them to only other people from Andor. I mean, I guess you can say that is Dark Skinned? When they compare themselves to rest of "world" they say they are not dark skinned.
This post was edited on 8/14/19 at 4:59 pm
Posted by AtticusOSullivan
Member since Mar 2016
2904 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:02 pm to
Stop with this crap. If you have read the books you know the Three Rivers is an isolated farm community that is clearly not black. You keep trying to make the same point over and over. Rand isn't different because he is white and they are black. He is different because he is a 6'5 red haired dude. They are shorter and mostly brown/black haired. Irish/English relationship. Again the lengths he goes to describe Tuon as black is extensive and she isnt introduced until half way through the series. He describes no one else that way prior to her. Many asian/Spanish descriptions but not black. The dude is VERY descriptive if nothing else.
Posted by LoneStarRanger
Texas/Europe
Member since Aug 2018
2404 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:09 pm to

1) Looks like a cast from crappy CW shows. This may indicate some cookie cutter scripting too. Bad sign

2) the intentional diversity BS is a bad decision


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I'm sure people will complain about making the Two Rivers folk ethnically diverse instead of completely homogenous, but as long as they can act I don't care.


That’s stupid. Just like it’s stupid to cast white people as Asians. The books clearly state over and over how different folks look. And how you can spot people from Andor/Shienar/Saldea/Tear/Aiel Waste etc. Consistency is a nice thing especially in a world that gets very confusing and complicated.
Posted by LoneStarRanger
Texas/Europe
Member since Aug 2018
2404 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:19 pm to
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They're trying to reach as wide an audience as possible, so it makes sense to have as many people feel represented as possible.


Game of Thrones didn’t have to do that. And it was pretty darn successful while reaching a crazy large audience.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
128137 posts
Posted on 8/14/19 at 5:21 pm to
Do you two chuckleheads even know how to read? I’ve said the same thing repeatedly. The two rivers aren’t black. No shite. They are darker than the rest of Andor but not black.

Ultimately does it really matter? Really? I’m not thrilled with it but as long as they can act does it really make a difference?

The only ethnicity that truly matters is the Aiel.
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