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re: Afflecks Batman Film pushed back. Rumors that Justice League is a mess
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:59 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:59 pm to RLDSC FAN
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It's grown on me over time. It's flawed, but I've really enjoyed it on rewatch. I love Tom Hardys Bane and Catwomans first few scenes are fun. She was really underused in this film
It's ok, i can understand why people like it, but it is not nearly on the same level as the first two and it is very far below a bunch of Marvel Movies for me personally. It's problems just bother me. It was necessary to end the trilogy and who knows what would've happened if Ledger didn't kill himself. I can't put my finger on it, but the bunch of small problems make it a bad movie that I can't rewatch. The plot seems either too rushed or not developed enough. The absolute stupidity of the police drives me nuts in that movie. Some of the dumb shite Bruce Wayne does. Little things. But it's not a terrible movie, it's just not my personal favorite.
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, I can't really say that about most Marvel films.
I agree about Avengers not aging well. But it was awesome when it came out to have all those guys in one movie after they built a universe. And Avengers Age of Ultron and Ironman 3 were two massive pathetic let downs by Marvel. Just shite. But Winter Soldier and Civil War more than made up for them. That's the thing, Marvel has made some missteps, but they always come back strong and they listen to critics and fans and fix problems. Look at the difference between Avenger AofU and Civil War. Even with Fox, Look at Xmen 3 vs the new xmen movies. Look at the Wolverine franchise.
Those are full of missteps and then redemptions. DC double and the tripled down on dogshit directing and storytelling and universe building.
As for the Avengers movies, I will say those movies gave us by far the best iteration of the Hulk ever IMO. His scenes in the Avengers movies flush out his character and have depth and meaning and are better than the previous stand alone movies. Mark Ruffalo has absolutely killed it as the Hulk.
As far as rewatchability, I could watch Ironman 1, First Avenger, Winter Soldier, First Class, AntMan GotG, and DOFP on repeat for weeks without a problem.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 2:35 pm
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:04 pm to Breesus
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First Class, and DOFP
Those are Fox, not the MCU. I do love the Fox Xmen films, even thou they don't really stick to the comics. I'm a huge fan of First Class, easily top 5 for me.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Those are Fox, not the MCU.
Yeah I know. I made that distinction a few posts back, but still, they're marvel properties and heros on the big screen and they're awesome.
The casting of both the MCU and Fox's xmen was absolutely perfect. They did a fantastic job. I can't imagine anyone else playing those roles now.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:11 pm to Breesus
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It was necessary to end the trilogy and who knows what would've happened of Ledger didn't kill himself. I can't put my finger on it, but the bunch of small problems make it a bad movie that I can't rewatch. The plot seems either too rushed or not developed enough. The absolute stupidity of the police drives me nuts in that movie. Some of the dumb shite Bruce Wayne does. Little things. But it's not a terrible movie, it's just not my personal favorite.
I think they still would have had Talia al Ghul in it and probably Harley Quinn, and the nuclear bomb plot would have still been involved. The reason the plot made no sense is that the League of Shadows really had no reason not to immediately nuke Gotham once they got the bomb. What the frick are they waiting for? They've defeated Batman, and giving him 5 months is enough time for him to recover. Just nuke the city on international television and be done with it.
If however Talia gets the bomb, and hands the trigger to the Joker, then we've got good reason for the city to not be nuked within the second they get their hands on it. The League tries to prove Ra's point with the Joker and how he manipulates humanity into needing a good little purge, while the Joker would continue to frick with humanity at large with the threat of the nuke. Maybe make the Joker's final threat that he'll hand over the trigger if the US nukes 3 other major international cities in its place, and then Batman has to stop Joker by dawn since he knows the US government won't do that.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:19 pm to blueboy
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Batman Begins, Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises were better than anything Marvel has put out. By far.
Dark Knight, yes. Batman Begins was decent. Dark Knight Rises was tripe.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:31 pm to blueboy
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you can't blame Nolan for someone else's shitty movie.
Who is blaming Nolan for MoS, BvS, or SS? I'll blame him for Inception and TDKR being turds, though.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:36 pm to RLDSC FAN
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I love Tom Hardys Bane and Catwomans first few scenes are fun. She was really underused in this film.
I can agree with this, but the Bane voice got pretty silly at times. However, those are strong points. The flow of the film was just so fricking disjointed and the whole act with Bruce in prison was fricking retarded.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:37 pm to Breesus
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They did a fantastic job. I can't imagine anyone else playing those roles now.
I can imagine Tom Hardy as Wolverine.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:40 pm to RLDSC FAN
It's an intinriscally good thing that Affleck's Batman is being delayed - it means they're giving him time to get the script to his satisfaction. One of the big issues with DC movies is that they're rushed out the door to simply make a profit.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:42 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Best casting goes to Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. Dude was born to play that part. Thankfully they gave him a shot to redeem the character after Origins.
Jackman was surprisingly perfect for Logan, too.
Jackman was surprisingly perfect for Logan, too.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:59 pm to Freauxzen
quote:By your personal definition. That's really all it is. Is it Batman? Was Batman a comic book? Well, there you go.
This is about the statement that "BB/TDK are the best comic book movies to be released." Which, they really aren't, because they aren't really comic book movies.
And I don't remember people hating on TDKR when it came out. It took a while for the miserable people to crawl out of the woodwork.
But then, this board loves Winter Soldier, which was completely overrated. If that's your standard, your standard sucks.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:05 pm to Jester
quote:He said the Batman trilogy is the reason BvS and SS sucked, so yes, he's basically blaming Nolan.
Who is blaming Nolan for MoS, BvS, or SS?
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I'll blame him for Inception and TDKR being turds, though.
IgnorePosted on 1/10/17 at 3:10 pm to blueboy
From what I've heard from MoS behind the scenes, they took almost none of the advice that Nolan gave Snyder and Goyer. Like for instance he was highly against Superman killing Zod saying it is bizarrely out of place for the character, but they did it anyway.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:49 pm to Jester
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Jackman was surprisingly perfect for Logan, too.
Wolverine became jackman's interpretation, not the other way around.
First off, jackman is far too tall to play wolverine. Wolverine's stature is a major part of his character. In addition, wolverine seems rational throughout the movies. In the comic, he is just a killing machine. He also drinks and smokes profusely in the comics. In the movies, he is often portrayted as the wise sage, and frankly this isn't what I remember from the comics.
with that said, jackman owned wolverine and he now sets the standard.
The only actor that owned a roll better was stewart as dr x. although RDJ does a good tony stark, although I think he is just RDJ being RDJ.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:13 pm to blueboy
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He said the Batman trilogy is the reason BvS and SS sucked, so yes, he's basically blaming Nolan.
He didn't say that at all. He said that misinterpreting what made those films successful is the reason these films sucked.
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Ignore
I take that as a compliment.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Sure, TDKR is a very flawed film, but so are the Marvel films. Let's be real.
There is plenty to complain about with all of Nolan's Batmans. Plain and simple. TDKR completely falls apart toward the end. TDK is really a stage for Ledger to become the best modern version of the Joker I think we could have hoped for, but the movie itself has plenty of issues, including Bale's wooden acting (which is unbelievable given that it's Christian fricking Bale). The best of the bunch is Batman Begins and even that plays the normal tropes found in origin stories. All comic book movies have issues. Nolan's are still enjoyable and even good, but to say that they're SO much better than any MCU movie is ridiculous. You like them better because you're older and they take themselves more seriously, which appeals to you (and to me). But you can't tell me that they are that much better than CA:WS, CA:CW, the Avengers, Iron Man, or GotG.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:13 pm to Freauxzen
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To be fair however, from Ross' perspective what he did was ok because he had an entity backing him.
Did he, though? Thunderbolt's actions seemed pretty rouge, while technically being in the military. I'm not sure he was acting under anyone's orders but his own when pumping Tim Roth up with Super Soldier Serum. My point was more about how he just brushed off his actions, and essentially the actions of all other motivating factors for why the "heros" had to jump into action.
Like...SURE hulk smashed a ton of shite in NYC during Avengers, but wasn't Loki kind of sort of to blame for everything that took place there? I mean, yes...shite fell out of the sky in DC during Winter Soldier, but I sort of put the blame there on Hydra, and not so much of Cap and Black Widow. And sure, those Wakandans got their asses blown up way up there on the top of that building in Lagos, but given what Crossbones was up to it was either them or a shite ton of other Africans on the ground. As for Ulton, yeah...that's entirely on Tony and to a much lesser extent, Bruce. To have Tony be the smug a-hole suggestion "We need to be held in check" was a line for civil War which actually made me laugh out loud.
That was my dislike of BvS. There's just no way Batman goes insane and loses all sense of perspective and immediately paints Supes as enemy #1. would he have been afraid and had an ever famous dossier ready? Sure! But to go all out to murder the dude who just saved the planet without first finding out truly what had happened made no sense, unless this Batman is kinda slow and reactionary. Not the best way to start a Batman franchise...
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But yeah, this is why the central conceit is a little problematic, because it only works if governments are perfect. Which in the movie, and in reality, they aren't.
Team Cap.
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:19 pm to blueboy
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He said the Batman trilogy is the reason BvS and SS sucked, so yes, he's basically blaming Nolan.
I said Snyder not understanding what Nolan did is the reason MoS and BvS stunk.
And what Nolan did was make a film that tried to shun comic book conventions, that was kind of the point of the whole thing. He wasn't always successful, but that was the goal. I actually think part of TDKR failing is that it does ruin what he built up by too often playing into comic books when TDK brought viewers far away from that. It was an odd ending to the trilogy.
It's fairly obvious that Snyder is trying to make something "more than" just comic books, where as films like Spider-Man 2, Superman I/II and Avengers are all unabashedly proud of their source material.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:26 pm to Freauxzen
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It's fairly obvious that Snyder is trying to make something "more than" just comic books, where as films like Spider-Man 2, Superman I/II and Avengers are all unabashedly proud of their source material.
Snyder thinks he's making operas. The scene where Bats almost kills Superman had some of the most over the top, melodramatic music behind it...it was cringe worthy. And that was BEFORE the Martha nonsense.
I mean, who the frick refers to their OWN MOTHER by their first name when talking to someone else who clearly would not know her?!? ugh...
Posted on 1/10/17 at 4:32 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Did he, though? Thunderbolt's actions seemed pretty rouge, while technically being in the military. I'm not sure he was acting under anyone's orders but his own when pumping Tim Roth up with Super Soldier Serum. My point was more about how he just brushed off his actions, and essentially the actions of all other motivating factors for why the "heros" had to jump into action.
Like...SURE hulk smashed a ton of shite in NYC during Avengers, but wasn't Loki kind of sort of to blame for everything that took place there? I mean, yes...shite fell out of the sky in DC during Winter Soldier, but I sort of put the blame there on Hydra, and not so much of Cap and Black Widow. And sure, those Wakandans got their asses blown up way up there on the top of that building in Lagos, but given what Crossbones was up to it was either them or a shite ton of other Africans on the ground. As for Ulton, yeah...that's entirely on Tony and to a much lesser extent, Bruce. To have Tony be the smug a-hole suggestion "We need to be held in check" was a line for civil War which actually made me laugh out loud.
Good points here all around. It's not always that people are ratonal. I agree that Ross is strongly hypocritical, but eh, is that bad writing or just a relfection of normalcy (and this isn't defending Civil War, it has some problems, but the government acting the way it does....is it surprising?).
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That was my dislike of BvS. There's just no way Batman goes insane and loses all sense of perspective and immediately paints Supes as enemy #1. would he have been afraid and had an ever famous dossier ready? Sure! But to go all out to murder the dude who just saved the planet without first finding out truly what had happened made no sense, unless this Batman is kinda slow and reactionary. Not the best way to start a Batman franchise...
Winner. However, it's out of character for Batman, as we see him, but MAYBE just maybe, Snyder wanted a more REACTIONARY Batman, like you mentioned. Not this this was a good choice, but, seemingly Snyder has this vision in his head "Rain and Lightning, and Batman and Superman squaring off. Pan up to Batman. DRAMATIC MUSIC! SO EPIC!"
"Wait, how do I get there? Oh yeam I'll have Bruce in Metropolis witness a bunch of people get killed in a building (fanboys complained about this anyway) and I'll have Batman get angry. It makes sense that a normal person would want revenge if this happened. SOLVED!"
It feels like Snyder has these scenes in his head and writes/scripts his movies to get him there.
That's not the way you create compelling characters, because yeah, you end up with characters making really weird choices.
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