re: Afflecks Batman Film pushed back. Rumors that Justice League is a mess

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Not worth it.
But blueboy, you're wrong man, there's plenty of dislike of TDKR from day one.

Anyway, that derails the thread. Erased.

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You can wiggle away with semantics, but whether misinterpreted or not, you blamed the films themselves. No films, no misinterpretation.

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Dude, this doesn't have to be an argument. Why are you leaving out the sentence before and the sentence after?

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They don't look and act like comic books, they use that inspiration to create something more real/more modern. And they are precisely why MoS, BvS and SS have all been sort of terrible. Snyder did not understand that Nolan actively built his films against common comic book tropes.

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"They" isn't assigning blame to the film, per the next sentence, but their existence does trigger Snyder and team to make very odd choices. That's all that means. Not only that, Christopher Nolan has PRODUCER and WRITER credits on Man of Steel. Again, those films, as good as they are, were kind of a problem in development as they clearly tried to do with Superman what they did with Batman. That's the point, I apologize if that was unclear.

I mean, is it really hard to say that without Nolan's Batman Trilogy, Man of Steel looks very very different?

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The Snyder Superman/DC movies are dark in tone and film compared to the kind of DC universe most of us are more familiar with - but food for thought it might not just be the Nolan influence on Snyder as much as the studio heads thinking the Nolan style was an essential part of the DC/Batman trilogy's success.

I think we all probably agree Batman comics have a generally different and darker tone than either Superman or the other Justice League characters - so what fits for the Batman franchise has to be done very deftly to work for the other characters.

Anyway, the point I intended to make when I started the post was Snyder is a 300 and Dawn of the Dead kinda guy at his most successful. He might not be at fault for trying to imitate Nolan as much as a guy who just likes borderline macabre stuff in his films and isn't a much better fit for Superman properties than Rob Zombie would have been in his place.

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This is a fair take however....

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“It’s a tricky process, setting up the DC universe, or Justice League,” Snyder said. “The credit goes to Chris Nolan because he set the die for the DC Universe [b]in a great way that I tried to emulate. I look at it as more being mythological than, say, bubblegum. And I think that that’s appropriate for Batman and Superman because they’re the most mythological of our superheroes.”

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“It goes to the mythological nature of the movies that we’re making,” he said. “I feel like he’s right. But I feel like Batman and Superman are transcendent of superhero movies in a way, because they’re Batman and Superman. They’re not just, like, the flavor of the week Ant-Man—not to be mean, but whatever it is. What is the next Blank-Man?”

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Myth, myth, epic, transcendant, ugh.

Even if the studio is pushing him in that sense, Snyder still has an odd perspective, one that is massively arrogant in his take on these properties. It might be fair to say that the studio is also saying this stuff. "But Zack, Superman is MORE EPIC THAN ANYTHING EVER! Listen to us!"

But Snyder spitballing is hilarious.

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jackman is far too tall to play wolverine

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I actually like this. Nobody respects a short guy and isn't seen as a leader for a good reason.

Is anyone even surprised at this point? I mean it's just understood that anything WB does with DC is just gonna automatically be mediocre at best

This is a shock.

I get that comic book fandom is strong, but it is weird to see it extend to the movies. I never really see it with too many other sectors of movies. Star Wars and Star Trek nerds don't seem to be threatened by each other and need to constantly berate the other to pump their own stuff up.

Marvel changed the way people view movies. The concept of a shared universe is not unique to them, but they made it mainstream. They have produced some fantastic movies.

The Nolan films were great films, but as a lifelong comic book fan, there is no way I could dismiss everything Marvel has done. I could watch all three Captain America movies any time they came on. Same thing with Iron Man 1 or Thor. (Plus others like GotG, Ant-Man, Dr. Strange)

DC and Marvel approach their movies very differently.

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I thought The Winter Soldier was completely meh.

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I enjoy BvS more than almost every superhero movie

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I agree that Ross is strongly hypocritical, but eh, is that bad writing or just a relfection of normalcy (and this isn't defending Civil War, it has some problems, but the government acting the way it does....is it surprising?).

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I agree it's likely the way the government would react. My issue was less with Ross than it was with the guys sitting around the table nodding at his shite rather than standing up and saying, Wait...what in the actual frick! You're pissed that some buildings got damaged and innocents died while we saved THE WHOLE PLANET?!? Eat a whole bag of dicks." I realize that would have ended the movie, but I think someone needed to say something like that, and not just Cap being sure that handing over control to someone else was bad.

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However, it's out of character for Batman, as we see him, but MAYBE just maybe, Snyder wanted a more REACTIONARY Batman, like you mentioned. Not this this was a good choice, but, seemingly Snyder has this vision in his head "Rain and Lightning, and Batman and Superman squaring off. Pan up to Batman. DRAMATIC MUSIC! SO EPIC!"

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No doubt...it's entirely on Snyder and he needs to be beaten with a wet bag of cats for doing so. As out of character as Superman's actions have been thus far, Batman ENTIRELY missing the point of what was happening in favor of being some lunatic may be even worse. Batman was the opposite of calculated, rational, reasoned, in control in this movie...and before someone steps in and says, "But...he'll get there!!! Just wait!" frick all that...

Simply put...as much as I WANT to love these movies, and I grew up on Super Friends and the Donner Superman movies long before I knew hardly anything about Marvel except for Spider-Man, I'm not going to just grin like an idiot because WB slaps characters that sort of look like the heroes I grew up with on screen together, but act in no way like them. I like the properties too much to give them up so easily.