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re: A Song of Ice and Fire (GoT "I read the book" thread)
Posted on 4/21/11 at 7:49 am to Books
Posted on 4/21/11 at 7:49 am to Books
This discussion was fun to read this morning lol. As a someone who read the series within the past couple years, I don't feel I have a place to complain. But I really hope that July 12 date stays.
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Posted on 4/21/11 at 8:14 am to Books
Come to the dark side.
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Posted on 4/21/11 at 10:18 am to SLC
Hmm, it might be time to pull out old faithful: GRRM is not your bitch!
On a serious note, I think conspiracy theories about milking the series for more money are unfounded. I think all of the issues GRRM has run into stem from splitting book four by location instead of time. I was dissapointed in that choice then, and it has caused problems with ADWD since the very beginning. I see the publication of ADWD as emerging from the other side of the forest after a long and tedious journey. It will be smooth sailing from here, as long as we don't stupidly split more books by location!
On a serious note, I think conspiracy theories about milking the series for more money are unfounded. I think all of the issues GRRM has run into stem from splitting book four by location instead of time. I was dissapointed in that choice then, and it has caused problems with ADWD since the very beginning. I see the publication of ADWD as emerging from the other side of the forest after a long and tedious journey. It will be smooth sailing from here, as long as we don't stupidly split more books by location!
Posted on 4/21/11 at 10:52 am to MediTiger
What gives people so much hope that 6&7 will be 'smooth sailing'?
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:03 am to fouldeliverer
I suppose hope spring eternal, but there is the oft mentioned quote at the back of Feast that Dance should be finished within a year because it was halfway done!
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:08 am to fouldeliverer
the first 3 were done in a relatively timely manner. First book was published in '96, AKOK in '98, and ASOS in '00. The 4th and 5th books have had timeline issues and are basically setting everything up for the final two, so he had to get all his pieces where he needs them. He had half of AFFC written before scrapping it and basically starting from scratch when he decided to the 5 yr gap wouldn't be feasible.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:58 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Right, it was halfway done, then he ran into all the timline crap that has been mentioned here before, Characters leaving and arriving, ect. Like I said earlier, I think almost all of those issues were caused by publishing AFFC and then having to make the timeline fit in ADWD with already published material (added to the oft mentioned 5 year gap, which was scrapped mid way and has now also been solved.) It basically painted him into a corner that he had to find a way out of, hense all his bitching and moaning about the Mereeneese knot, which has been untangled.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:06 pm to MediTiger
It seems to me like all this time and location stuff can be solved real easy.
Like there could be a scene in Dorne or something where Jon Snow just shows up and is like... "I'm here," and the people down there say "Jon Snow? I thought you were on the Wall just two days ago!"
And Jon just says, "Magic, bitch."
Done.
Like there could be a scene in Dorne or something where Jon Snow just shows up and is like... "I'm here," and the people down there say "Jon Snow? I thought you were on the Wall just two days ago!"
And Jon just says, "Magic, bitch."
Done.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:52 pm to SpqrTiger
quote:
It seems to me like all this time and location stuff can be solved real easy.
Like there could be a scene in Dorne or something where Jon Snow just shows up and is like... "I'm here," and the people down there say "Jon Snow? I thought you were on the Wall just two days ago!"
And Jon just says, "Magic, bitch."
Done.
That's cool with me if it means he finishes the series.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 12:54 pm to SpqrTiger
Hahahahahah
I can only imagine some of the reaction to reading a John Snow line like that. I think I'm gonna try to waeve that phrase into everyday conversation.
"got your hair cut?"
"nope, magic bitch"
I can only imagine some of the reaction to reading a John Snow line like that. I think I'm gonna try to waeve that phrase into everyday conversation.
"got your hair cut?"
"nope, magic bitch"
Posted on 4/21/11 at 2:27 pm to MediTiger
recent indepth interview from Time where GRRM goes into a little more detail ab how he has the series mapped out. From part 3 of 4:
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Well, one thing that always came up with Lost was this idea of, they better have the ending figured out. I want them to know right from the beginning what the plan is. As a storyteller, do you believe that that is what you should be doing? Is it even possible?
I think it's possible to an extent. Well first of all, there are different kinds of writers. I've given this lecture in many of my talks. I like to say that there are two kinds of writers, there are the architects and the gardeners. And the architects plan everything ahead of time before they write the first word of a novel. They do all the world building, they know how many rooms the house is going to have and they know how they will flow to each other and how high each floor is going to be and where the electricity and the plumbing is going to go and everything. Before they even nail up the first board.
And then there are the gardeners who just sort of dig a hole and they put a seed in it and they water it with their blood and then something starts to grow. Now, they usually know that they plant a peach tree or did they plant a cactus. But the precise shape its going to take they don't know. I think all most writers are somewhere in the middle, you know. I'm much more of a gardener than an architect and so was Tolkien .
But I like to compare my books to a journey. Like that map there [gestures to a U.S. map on the wall]. If you were going from Los Angeles to New York, you would look at a map like that and you would say, well, okay, I'm going to leave and I'm going to follow the route through Albuquerque and I'm gonna go north to Denver... So you know your eventual destination and the main roads and some of the big landmarks you're going to go through, but you don't know where you're gonna stop for dinner the first night, or where there's gonna be road construction that will force you to take a detour, where a hitchhiker is going to show up on the side of the road and tell you a fascinating story. These are the things you discover during the journey.
I know the ultimate destination, I know the principal landmarks and things that happen along the way, like [big event redacted] which had been planned from the beginning and all of that. But some of them I discover in the writing. Essentially I know the big stuff, but a lot of little stuff occurs in the course of the writing. And of course some of the little stuff is very, very important. The devil is in the details. The devil is what makes the journey more than just an outline or a Cliff's Notes kind of experience. So I may know the ultimate fates of Jon Snow and Daenerys and Arya and some of the other principal characters. But I don't necessarily know the ultimate fates of Dolorous Edd or Hot Pie, you know. Well, I have a few ideas about those, but still.
[Dramatic but spoilery future plot point redacted] will be fun. If we get to that. God willing, yeah. Later seasons, that's always a high-class problem to have.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 8:38 pm to Books
I like where he comments about Lost laying a turd by not getting the story pulled together at the end.
Did you watch Lost?
I did watch Lost. I watched Lost in it's entire run and I was, I was fascinated, but you know, even as early as the second season and certainly the third season, I started saying, how the hell are they going to pull all of this together? If they pull all of this together, it's going to be the greatest show in the history of television, man. They better know how to pull all of this together. And then when I reached the end and they hadn't pulled it altogether, in fact, they left a big turd on my doorstep? I was pretty upset, you know.
Too rich.
Did you watch Lost?
I did watch Lost. I watched Lost in it's entire run and I was, I was fascinated, but you know, even as early as the second season and certainly the third season, I started saying, how the hell are they going to pull all of this together? If they pull all of this together, it's going to be the greatest show in the history of television, man. They better know how to pull all of this together. And then when I reached the end and they hadn't pulled it altogether, in fact, they left a big turd on my doorstep? I was pretty upset, you know.
Too rich.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 10:18 pm to YumYum Sauce
I am ok with how long it took. If it was all about making money, he would have churned out books that did not do or solve anything. Look at what happened to Jordan and Goodkind they published several useless books to cash in on what they were doing. He was not ready for Crows and felt pressured to getting it out early and was not happy with it, so he spent more time on Dragons.
Posted on 4/21/11 at 11:23 pm to ornagestorm
Goodkind started out righting shite. He's fantasy writing's Dean Koontz.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 5:19 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Goodkind's work isn't good enough to be classified as shite.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 9:39 am to SLC
I really wonder how much the online forums and speculation have affected the story. Its a relatively new phenomenon to have thousands of theories circulating about where the story is going. Does he change events just to prove theories wrong? Does he see theories and say that's cool, I'm using that?
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:05 am to shinerfan
he's said in the past that he stays away from fan sites for that reason, among others.
L + R = J has to be true. The producers of GOT even kinda hinted that it is after being asked who Jon's parents were by GRRM
L + R = J has to be true. The producers of GOT even kinda hinted that it is after being asked who Jon's parents were by GRRM
Posted on 4/22/11 at 10:57 am to Books
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L + R = J has to be true.
Has to be, and if true J could very well be the SoI&F.
Posted on 4/22/11 at 11:12 am to shinerfan
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Does he change events just to prove theories wrong?
I hope he doesn't.
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