A Killer Story (New HBO True Crime Documentary)

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The husband and wife team are awesome but they’re going to be really shook up if/when she’s found guilty. They have a lot invested into her innocence

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Yea they are genuinely good people and clearly a lot smarter than the first 20 minutes of the first episode led you to believe. Love that he still refers to them as pen pal and trash man throughout episode 2

I couldn’t tell if they said they had already sold that 500 acres of family land or they were just planning on selling it. I was just thinking in my head please for the love of god do not sell that land to support this case. It’d be different if this was your brother or sister you were defending but selling all that beautiful land to pay for a strangers case. No way.

Yea that was a "Uh o this woman probably can't look at this through an unbiased lens" moment.

From the 48 hours and/or Dateline episodes on this case, it seemed pretty certain she was guilty. Nothing in this doc hasn’t changed that, just showing some police and prosecutorial misconduct.

The gas cans and over 24 hour period her phone was off are extremely coincidental with the timing of the shooting. Unless the defense could show that turning her phone off and driving thru remote mountains was a normal thing she did.

Has everyone seen the end of episode 2 where the ex-husbands neighbor is a new surprise witness?

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Pen Pal crying like she did talking about the ex wife sent up some red flags

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I think when this thing wraps up we're going to realize it's more of a documentary about unhealthy obsession and crawling down rabbit holes than it is a generic true crime 'murder in the heartland' show that gets spit out all of the time.

The way it opened was a pretty big clue - it didn't talk about a chilling murder or a crime scene that shocked the local community. It talked about a crazy woman sending thousands of emails to a random New York journalist.

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If she really did go camping like she said, the gas cans and cell phone being turned off makes sense. 10 gallons of gas would have been enough to get her out of a difficult situation if she found herself stranded or something, and turning her cell phone off to conserve battery makes sense.

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Kind of what I was thinking. Not sure if they ever proved that she even filled the gas cans up or not but even if she did it would seem more practical for a camping road trip than one that wouldn't even provide enough gas to help get her all the way back from Kansas.

The guys post earlier spoiling the ending tells me she gets found guilty but there is way too many things that cause reasonable doubt. She might have done it I don't know, but there's certainly not enough evidence and plenty of reasonable doubt to keep her out of jail. I'm sorry if you can't prove that she had the murder weapon or even able to shoot a gun for that matter or even put her in the STATE at the time, you can't convict someone of murder.

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I went ahead and looked the case up so I know how it ends. I feel sorry for the couple who invested so much time.

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Bruh

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'm sorry if you can't prove that she had the murder weapon or even able to shoot a gun for that matter or even put her in the STATE at the time, you can't convict someone of murder.

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From what I understand, the documentary is painting her in a favorable light. They kind of glossed over the fact that she repeatedly called the victims, harassed them and threatened to kill them and that she openly talked about killing them one day in front of other witnesses, including her friends and children.

As far as the phone being turned off for 24 hours, that had only happened twice in the previous year - once during the weekend of the murder and a few months before when she allegedly broke into the home of the ex. They were able to place her in the state that weekend and she told her friend that she drove all the way there and broke in.

The gas cannisters could have helped her establish her alibi (I was camping in the wilderness and didn't want to run out of gas). But instead she lied about them - said she didn't buy them, then said she bought them for a friend, then said she bought them for someone in AA whose name she doesn't know even though every AA meeting starts with people standing up and saying "Hi, I'm Jane Doe and I'm an alcoholic".

Her alibi is also problematic. For starters, "I was camping by myself in remote areas" is always going to be a suspicious excuse. But OK, she's a flaky single person living in Colorado so maybe. But then she gave conflicting statements about where she went and the routes she took. Not surprisingly, nothing about any of her alibi statements could be verified.

The gun is more interesting. No records of her owning or attempting to purchase firearms. But the documentary is again disingenuous. They strongly implied - via crazy married couple - that the victims were killed with an Uzi (not a gun that is easy to obtain or operate for a novice). But there's no evidence it was an Uzi. They ammo was manufactured by the Israeli company that also manufactures the Uzi weapon, which fires 9mm. But that 9mm ammo can also be used in any 9mm handgun or weapon and 9mms are the most common gun.

The bottom line is this is a batshit crazy woman who almost certainly did it. The lack of a "smoking gun" or hard forensic evidence placing her at the crime scene makes prosecution more challenging, but not impossible. Plenty of convictions are secured on nothing but circumstantial evidence. But if someone wants to qualify that as reasonable doubt under the standards, I wont put up a fight. Especially considering the original investigator and prosecutor did some ethically shady stuff.

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They strongly implied - via crazy married couple - that the victims were killed with an Uzi (not a gun that is easy to obtain or operate for a novice). But there's no evidence it was an Uzi.

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I just finished the series and I kept asking myself how they knew it was an Uzi. I thought that I must have missed the part where they explained that the police had somehow found the murder weapon. Even went back to watch episode 1 to see if I missed it.

Nope. Just 9mm casings at the scene. They just assumed it was an Uzi because, as you said, same manufacturer...AND the fact they had a vendetta against that prosecutor and the dude they were positive that his DNA would be in that hair.

Those two are straight Karens with nothing better to do than stir shite up. The wife is all over the place emotionally. The part where the director was asking her what she thought about Dana having multiple stories for her alibi and she didn't wanna discuss that. Then he is like "Well, you can't really have it that way 'Mrs Champion-of-Truth'..." That was pretty funny.