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re: 22 Years after the release of American History X- how do you feel about it ?
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:29 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:29 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Lol. This whole discussion is academic to me, man. Other threads about race films/shows on this board have gone the same way. People like yourself don't want to actually discuss the premise, instead they get butt hurt that I'm not in lock-step with their opinion about some shitty, stereotypical race flick. It's much easier to attack me then to have a discussion on the merits. Did you ever notice that there are primarily two types of people that love AHX? There's the half-racist white a-hole that gets too much of a kick out of the curb-stomping scene. And then there's the half-racist white a-hole who pats himself on the back because he's proud he's not like the assholes in the movie
Can you teach us how to be smart and cool like you please?
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 9:30 pm
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Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:36 pm to Lsupimp
Awful movie saved by a great performance by Norton
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:46 pm to Lsupimp
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You are ideologically Possessed. You judge art primarily through the prism of politics. And when we say sometimes a cigar is just a cigar you lose your shite. You are boorish and insufferable and you are flailing all over this thread cursing people and unraveling. And I for one, am loving it. Lol. Dance on the string , boy. Melt for our entertainment, .
Yeah, the violent, racist and vulgar Nazi murder/redemption movie is art. Lol. Go back to finger painting, you don't know what art is.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:50 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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Awful movie saved by a great performance by Norton
This I can mostly agree with. Norton was good but he couldn't save a film as bad as this. Stacy Keach was also good. The rest were poorly acted caricatures.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:59 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Yeah, the violent, racist and vulgar Nazi murder/redemption movie is art.
That’s the problem I think most are having with your posts. No one gives a shite that you didn’t like it. You’re implying a movie can’t be good because of a premise or summarized plot line. And thats simply not true. And I also didn’t see this as some big redemption movie for a nazi murderer. But to each their own
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:08 pm to Ace Midnight
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cliched racial stuff in there
Only thing that really hold the film back at all.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:15 pm to jg8623
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That’s the problem I think most are having with your posts. No one gives a shite that you didn’t like it. You’re implying a movie can’t be good because of a premise or summarized plot line. And thats simply not true. And I also didn’t see this as some big redemption movie for a nazi murderer. But to each their own
I simply asked why people liked it. What I got in return was attacks that my dislike of the film is ideologically and politically motivated. This isn't the truth and removed from the subject at hand. It should be easy for someone to support why they like the movie without attacking the questioner.
And the movie is a nazi murderer redemption film. He's a nazi. He brutally murders two people. He changes his ways in prison and tries to save his brother. Presto, change-o, you are cleansed!
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:22 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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the violent, racist and vulgar
Wag that Nanny Finger. The manager should be here shortly to handle your complaint. Until then , here’s some chai, Margaret .
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:37 pm to Lsupimp
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Wag that Nanny Finger. The manager should be here shortly to handle your complaint. Until then , here’s some chai, Margaret .
Stop being a one note troll, clown. That description was accurate and objective.
MPAA rating: R for graphic brutal violence including rape, pervasive language, strong sexuality and nudity. Times guidelines: a graphic homosexual rape and the explicitly shown death of a young man who gets his head stomped in.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:42 pm to Saint Alfonzo
Poor Margaret. I bet you dropped your monogrammed handkerchief and ran shrieking out of the theatre and straight into your boyfriend’s arms. Nanny gonna nanny.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:52 pm to Lsupimp
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Poor Margaret. I bet you dropped your monogrammed handkerchief and ran shrieking out of the theatre and straight into your boyfriend’s arms. Nanny gonna nanny.
You know, I've always figured you for one of the decent, level-headed posters on this board. Turns out that was a false impression. The only thing you've done in this thread is melt because I called a shitty race film a shitty race film. Grow up.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 10:59 pm to Saint Alfonzo
See, a logical girl would factor in that they find someone “ decent and level- headed “ , pause and reread the thread and see where they went wrong . And then ask themselves why EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE THREAD is telling them, and them alone, that they are being a total jackass.
But not you. You’ll just continue playing a worthless hand until someone drags you from your computer.
But not you. You’ll just continue playing a worthless hand until someone drags you from your computer.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 11:20 pm to Lsupimp
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See, a logical girl would factor in that they find someone “ decent and level- headed “ , pause and reread the thread and see where they went wrong . And then ask themselves why EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE THREAD is telling them, and them alone, that they are being a total jackass. But not you. You’ll just continue playing a worthless hand until someone drags you from your computer.
Sorry, I don't follow the herd. Your insults won't change the fact that the movie you people love is a shallow piece of shite film, full of racial caricatures and stereotypes, with nothing of significance to say about race, despite that being the ostensible reason the film exists in the first place. A good performance by Ed Norton doesn't save something that was shite from the beginning. Even the director tried to have his name removed from it.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 11:23 pm to Saint Alfonzo
K. Keep us posted.
Posted on 3/24/20 at 11:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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Have more folks in the middle (which reflects reality) as opposed to 2-dimensional extremes with only the main character moving along the axis.
The movie is quite literally about extremism. This sort of extremism also exists, particularly in prison. I am shocked this has to be explained. You’re essentially saying the movie should have a completely different plot line.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 8:07 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 12:41 am to boxcarbarney
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wonder how he feels about anti heroes? He must have fricking hated Unforgiven.
Law Abiding Citizen might induce a potentially lethal fit of the vapors.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:05 am to Saint Alfonzo
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Here's a question that maybe some of you who loved this film can answer. What makes a movie like this appealing? What is the attraction to it? More generally, why are you people drawn to the race film genre?
I think it touches on a lot of why white people develop racist opinions. 9 times out of 10, it's bc your parents instilled it. I think that is a great takeaway of this movie.
I think it also give the other side a chance to see into why whites have and develoo racist opinions over time. Each and every person can walk away from that film saying they didn't want that hate coming from them, that they don't want to treat people in that manner.
At the end of the day, you cannot control your inner thoughts or what pops into your mind when you encounter someone. You can only control your words spoken and actions taken.
This movie and Remember the Titans are the only ones of this genre that I've enjoyed. Granted, I was a teenager when I saw American History X and it affected me differently than it would today.
I do think that too much of the racial history/racism-focused genre at once or in a row/circulation can be dangerous. Many people see these films and get angry about the past.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 1:17 am to Lsupimp
Serious question. Don't own this movie.
But have seen it many times back in the day on Cable, TNT, all the old haunts.
I've seen it on Netflix in the past.
I've heard there's two drastically different versions.
The Ed Norton version which he re-edited and the actual directors edit of the film which was released in theaters.
So if you watch it from streaming services or you watched it on old TV Cable, what version were you watching?
Apparently the actual director told the studios to take his name off the movie after Edwards "butchered" his vision for Edward's vision - which being the star was more important I guess.
It seems two distinct movies were made and one of them was almost a half hour longer.
But have seen it many times back in the day on Cable, TNT, all the old haunts.
I've seen it on Netflix in the past.
I've heard there's two drastically different versions.
The Ed Norton version which he re-edited and the actual directors edit of the film which was released in theaters.
So if you watch it from streaming services or you watched it on old TV Cable, what version were you watching?
Apparently the actual director told the studios to take his name off the movie after Edwards "butchered" his vision for Edward's vision - which being the star was more important I guess.
It seems two distinct movies were made and one of them was almost a half hour longer.
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 1:19 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 7:04 am to cas4t
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The movie is quite literally about extremism.
No, I got that. I'm not suggesting extremism be removed (the lead is a Neo Nazi, it deals with extremist groups, prison gangs as you say - I'm not a child), but the movie was so literally black and white it was difficult to suspend disbelief (like my Snerdley Whiplash comments earlier about the Stacy Keach character) - even with those criticisms, I thought the film was very well acted and delivered without talking down to the audience.
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You’re essentially saying the movie should have a complete differently plot line.
Not at all. The themes of tribalism, violence and how that is used to manipulate and control people is a sophisticated one. The film delivered its message fairly well within the confines of a Hollywood film.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:07 am to Ace Midnight
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I'm not a child
I know, I generally enjoy your reading your posts on this board in particular 
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