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re: Zeke Elliott suspended 6 games
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
Goodwill is not a independant thinker kinda guy. He does what the majority of the owners want him to do. Chances of him losing his job _= low
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:34 pm to Boomshockalocka
it's time the nfl start putting the hammer down on these thugs in helmets
good job nfl!!
good job nfl!!
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
He's essentially accusing the league of intentionally falsifying and misrepresenting evidence in order to suspend him.
That's a big deal
This has already happened multiple times. He got away with it then. He will get away with it now.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:40 pm to Peazey
So she was assaulted by another woman, then later says she will "ruin" Elliott. Then the pictures of her bruises show up.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:No it doesnt. You are too personally involived
If that is true, and it comes to light, it should cost Goodell his job.
This has the potential to get really ugly for the league if it comes out this was a hollow investigation to save face.
A district attorney who investigated the case has gone public saying he believes from a logical standpoint that Elliot assaulted this woman.
Goodell could simply go on that "evidence" alone to suspend Elliot and it does not actually look bad.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:You're gonna wanna work on managing your expectations on this ordeal.
If that is true, and it comes to light, it should cost Goodell his job.
This has the potential to get really ugly for the league if it comes out this was a hollow investigation to save face.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:53 pm to DelU249
quote:
How is everyone enjoying Roger goodell's nfl?
So you think he shouldn't be suspended?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:53 pm to ssgtiger
quote:Of course not.
So you think he shouldn't be suspended?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:56 pm to lsupride87
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A district attorney who investigated the case has gone public saying he believes from a logical standpoint that Elliot assaulted this woman.
Did he not also go on to say that there is a difference between believing/saying someone did it and being able to prove it?
Doesn't matter if the prosecutor believed it. He said he couldn't prove it.
You guys that keep using the DA's statement as proof that he should be suspended need to quit cherry-picking his statements.
So no, Goodell should not go on that "evidence" alone, because it isn't evidence. It's belief. He might as well just go on Thompson's belief that Elliott assualted her, which he has.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:56 pm to ssgtiger
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So you think he shouldn't be suspended?
6 games? No
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:57 pm to lsupride87
Here's essentially what the league has said. They have claimed this girl has injuries and while they can't show Elliott did it, they believe Elliott did it and it's up to Elliott to prove he didn't do it and explain away her injuries.
Here's a key quote:
"there is no dispute that you and Ms. Thompson were together on the dates identified, and no evidence to suggest that anyone else could have caused those injuries."
What the NFL is saying is we know you were with Ms. Thompson those days and we believe those injuries are from those days and now it's up to you to tell us how she got those bruises if she didn't get them from you. That's absurd.
But then he actually shows someone else DID cause her injuries from the 22nd, and the league says "Ok, you've still got five more days to explain".
It's a witch hunt, a he said she said case where the NFL believes the accuser despite the fact she's the one who is a proven liar.
Here's a key quote:
"there is no dispute that you and Ms. Thompson were together on the dates identified, and no evidence to suggest that anyone else could have caused those injuries."
What the NFL is saying is we know you were with Ms. Thompson those days and we believe those injuries are from those days and now it's up to you to tell us how she got those bruises if she didn't get them from you. That's absurd.
But then he actually shows someone else DID cause her injuries from the 22nd, and the league says "Ok, you've still got five more days to explain".
It's a witch hunt, a he said she said case where the NFL believes the accuser despite the fact she's the one who is a proven liar.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:59 pm to Cowboyfan89
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You guys that keep using the DA's statement as proof that he should be suspended need to quit cherry-picking his statements.
quote:
Doesn't matter if the prosecutor believed it. He said he couldn't prove it
Lectures against cherry-picking the DA's statements right after cherry-picking the DA's statements.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 2:59 pm to ssgtiger
quote:
So you think he shouldn't be suspended?
Of course he shouldn't
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:01 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:What does that have to do with a Goodell suspension?
Did he not also go on to say that there is a difference between believing/saying someone did it and being able to prove it?
quote:No, just "proof" that this is all Goodell really needs to make it stick.
You guys that keep using the DA's statement as proof that he should be suspended need to quit cherry-picking his statements.
quote:I don't think people are arguing what Goodell should do, just what he will do.
So no, Goodell should not go on that "evidence" alone, because it isn't evidence. It's belief. He might as well just go on Thompson's belief that Elliott assualted her, which he has.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:01 pm to ssgtiger
No conviction no suspension
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:02 pm to DelU249
I didn't even know it was football season. It seems like they announce it every year by suspending a star player and/or coach
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:04 pm to NawlinsTiger9
The DA didn't say that, a prosecutor in the DA's office did. In an unofficial email no less.
Meanwhile, the only thing proven in all of this is the accuser lied about at least one of the alleged incidents and was quoted, by FOUR PEOPLE, of saying she would ruin Elliott's career. On the night she called police for the first time. She then text her friends asking them to lie about how she got her injuries.
If she was being abused from the 17th-22nd, why did she only report it on the 22nd? (The one incident proven to be a lie) Why were all the pics of her injuries taken that day on her phone? Why wasn't she taking them in the days leading up to that? Why did she have to have people lie for her?
There is zero evidence that she was abused in the days leading up to the 22nd apart from pics of bruises (all dated to her phone on the 22nd-24th) and her word. That's it.
Meanwhile, the only thing proven in all of this is the accuser lied about at least one of the alleged incidents and was quoted, by FOUR PEOPLE, of saying she would ruin Elliott's career. On the night she called police for the first time. She then text her friends asking them to lie about how she got her injuries.
If she was being abused from the 17th-22nd, why did she only report it on the 22nd? (The one incident proven to be a lie) Why were all the pics of her injuries taken that day on her phone? Why wasn't she taking them in the days leading up to that? Why did she have to have people lie for her?
There is zero evidence that she was abused in the days leading up to the 22nd apart from pics of bruises (all dated to her phone on the 22nd-24th) and her word. That's it.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:06 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Doesn't matter if the prosecutor believed it. He said he couldn't prove it.
You guys that keep using the DA's statement as proof that he should be suspended need to quit cherry-picking his statements.
So no, Goodell should not go on that "evidence" alone, because it isn't evidence. It's belief. He might as well just go on Thompson's belief that Elliott assualted her, which he has.
You don't know much about legal standards, do you?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:17 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Lectures against cherry-picking the DA's statements right after cherry-picking the DA's statements.
quote:
“For the Ezekiel Elliott matter, I personally believe that there were a series of interactions between Mr. Elliott and (his accuser) where violence occurred. However, given the totality of the circumstances, I could not firmly conclude exactly what happened. Saying something happened versus having sufficient evidence to criminally charge someone are two completely different things. Charging decisions are taken very seriously and we use best efforts to conduct thorough and detailed investigations.”
What exactly did I cherry-pick? He flat out said he believed it happened, then said he could not firmly conclude what happened, i.e., couldn't prove it.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
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You don't know much about legal standards, do you?
It's already been established that the suspension isn't a legal matter at this moment, so what are you talking about? I understand the difference between the DA saying he believes it happened, but can't prove what happened, therefore, he isn't bringing charges.
It doesn't matter what he believes, it matters what he can prove. And the statement clearly says he can't prove what happened. So he can believe it all he wants, but he's not going to get a conviction simply becaise he believes it.
My little cousin believes the Easter Bunny is real, but that doesn't mean it is.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 3:20 pm
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