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re: Would bowl games bring more revenue if they were played on campus?
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:10 am to Sophandros
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:10 am to Sophandros
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Basically, the games will become more corporate and have more affluent fans/alumni in the stadium for certain schools.
Wouldn't it be funny if Yulman ended up with a better gameday atmosphere than most of the P5 schools?
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Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:11 am to Bestbank Tiger
Read my mind...
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:45 am to Sophandros
I can't wait for the first game there.
I just hope they still have the student section behind the visitors' bench.
I just hope they still have the student section behind the visitors' bench.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 11:00 am to Flash_Gordon
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I am pretty sure 3,000 people showed up to Reliant.
Bowl games need to die, most of them.
Bowls are about TV, not attendance. The Little Ceasers Bowl (Pitt-Bowling Green) had a better TV rating than last year's Big East tournament title game. That's where they make money. Some bowls would be better off and save money by playing at on campus sites though or at least smaller venues. For instance, the Texas Bowl could save money and create better atmosphere by playing where the University of Houston plays (Houston Dynamo stadium right?) instead of Reliant.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 11:30 am to 4LSU2
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The playoff games are going to be worse, IMO. The logistics and expense of fans traveling week to week is going to deter most of the average fans. You simply can't go to the SEC Championship game one weekend, the semifinals the next
Yes, I agree with this completely. Imagine having to see LSU play in Atlanta then Miami then Pasadena in consecutive weeks. yikes.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 11:32 am to KosmoCramer
Probably not but would bring more people
Posted on 12/28/13 at 12:03 pm to Tigerbait46
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Yes, I agree with this completely. Imagine having to see LSU play in Atlanta then Miami then Pasadena in consecutive weeks. yikes.
The same fan wouldn't make all three trips, but LSU has a big enough fan base to send a large crowd to all three games.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 1:38 pm to LSU GrandDad
quote:And these newfangled CDs, you can't get the needle to stay on...
LSU GrandDad
Posted on 12/28/13 at 1:52 pm to Tigerbait46
Which is why my playoff proposal is infinitely better than the one that will be in place next year (even though you mischaracterized it a bit).
-All FBS conference champions are in, plus six at large for a 16 team field.
-Top 8 conference champions have home field in the first round. After the first round, game is played at the home field of the higher ranked team. Seeds are determined by a ranking system that includes, but is not necessarily limited to, computer rankings and polls. All systems used in the rankings MUST be absolutely transparent.
-Championship game is played at a neutral site, which is bid on by the bowls prior to the season.
Because only 16 teams are involved in playoffs, the remaining 104 teams are eligible for the remaining bowl games. The current extra CG is eliminated.
Will there be travel issues? Sure, if your team is the #16 seed and runs the table.
The regular season remains extremely important because you want to have the home field, which is less travel and more gate revenue for your school along with the obvious HFA.
For the teams who are out of their conference title race early, late season games mean something because they are still playing for a chance to get into the tournament for a shot at the championship.
-All FBS conference champions are in, plus six at large for a 16 team field.
-Top 8 conference champions have home field in the first round. After the first round, game is played at the home field of the higher ranked team. Seeds are determined by a ranking system that includes, but is not necessarily limited to, computer rankings and polls. All systems used in the rankings MUST be absolutely transparent.
-Championship game is played at a neutral site, which is bid on by the bowls prior to the season.
Because only 16 teams are involved in playoffs, the remaining 104 teams are eligible for the remaining bowl games. The current extra CG is eliminated.
Will there be travel issues? Sure, if your team is the #16 seed and runs the table.
The regular season remains extremely important because you want to have the home field, which is less travel and more gate revenue for your school along with the obvious HFA.
For the teams who are out of their conference title race early, late season games mean something because they are still playing for a chance to get into the tournament for a shot at the championship.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 3:49 pm to Sophandros
I like Soph's proposal, except I would make two modifications.
First, I'd take 12 teams instead of 16. That way the top four teams get a bye as a reward, and teams near the top will be fighting for one of those.
Second, I would have a minimum standard a team has to meet to be playoff eligible. A 7-5 team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, even if they win a P5 conference. 12 teams would be enough to accommodate all 10 conference champions if they were deserving, plus two at larges.
I wish I had a little more free time. I could do an analysis of how many of the Thanksgiving weekend games would have national title implications under Soph's system, compared to how many did under the BCS or a 4-team playoff.
First, I'd take 12 teams instead of 16. That way the top four teams get a bye as a reward, and teams near the top will be fighting for one of those.
Second, I would have a minimum standard a team has to meet to be playoff eligible. A 7-5 team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, even if they win a P5 conference. 12 teams would be enough to accommodate all 10 conference champions if they were deserving, plus two at larges.
I wish I had a little more free time. I could do an analysis of how many of the Thanksgiving weekend games would have national title implications under Soph's system, compared to how many did under the BCS or a 4-team playoff.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 4:31 pm to Bestbank Tiger
I think yall are crazy for suggesting anything that allows the CUSA champ, the Sun Belt champ, etc to get in automatically. Nobody wants that. TV doesn't want it, fans don't want it, bowls don't want it, etc. Will never happen because of the $. And a lot of yall's suggestions are good ones, but they focus more on deserving teams and the fairest way to determine it but that won't even happen because it's all about the $. Never forget it.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:16 pm to bigpapamac
if it was good business to include those conferences, the BCS would have done it...
Posted on 12/28/13 at 5:33 pm to 4LSU2
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The playoff games are going to be worse, IMO. The logistics and expense of fans traveling week to week is going to deter most of the average fans. You simply can't go to the SEC Championship game one weekend, the semifinals the next weekend, then BCS final the third weekend if your respective team were to make it.
The death of these meaningless bowls are quickly approaching, IMO.
you are basing your premise on faulty logic with the assumption that it will be the same fans traveling for every game.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:13 pm to chalmetteowl
LOL at you for thinking that the BCS was the best business model.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:16 pm to Sophandros
Did he say the BCS was the best business model? 
Or simply say if it was good business, the BCS would've given auto bids to the Sun Belt, CUSA, etc?
Or simply say if it was good business, the BCS would've given auto bids to the Sun Belt, CUSA, etc?Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:17 pm to diat150
Bowl games will not die as long as corporate sponsors keep ponying up the huge bucks, and the TV money is still there. It does not matter if only 100 fans from each team show up to the Alaskan Eskimo Bowl or (Insert Stupid Bowl Name). The money as others have said is all in sponsorships and TV.
The ULL/ Tulane game will be in the Top-5 of Non-BCS bowls in terms of attendance, but will still be in the bottom 5 in terms of total revenue. I think though this will begin to change as it is easily becoming one of the best non-BCS bowls, even though it has always been two of the worst conferences and teams matched up, nationally wise.
In a few short years teams schedules will look much like this for the big power conference schools.
2 big time classic/ non conference games
1 Easy homecoming blow over
9 conference games
5-7 teams will begin to be bowl eligible as more games are created.
History and tradition will continue to be trampled in favor of money and marketing.
The ULL/ Tulane game will be in the Top-5 of Non-BCS bowls in terms of attendance, but will still be in the bottom 5 in terms of total revenue. I think though this will begin to change as it is easily becoming one of the best non-BCS bowls, even though it has always been two of the worst conferences and teams matched up, nationally wise.
In a few short years teams schedules will look much like this for the big power conference schools.
2 big time classic/ non conference games
1 Easy homecoming blow over
9 conference games
5-7 teams will begin to be bowl eligible as more games are created.
History and tradition will continue to be trampled in favor of money and marketing.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:22 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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First, I'd take 12 teams instead of 16. That way the top four teams get a bye as a reward, and teams near the top will be fighting for one of those.
Second, I would have a minimum standard a team has to meet to be playoff eligible. A 7-5 team doesn't deserve to make the playoffs, even if they win a P5 conference. 12 teams would be enough to accommodate all 10 conference champions if they were deserving, plus two at larges.
To accommodate the people who think that conferences play games instead of teams, I'd be willing to amend further and say the top eight ranked conference champs get in along with the next four highest ranked teams. Top four get byes, first round played at the homes of the four remaining conference champs, and then continue as previously stated.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 6:26 pm to bigpapamac
The bcs did a good job rewarding the deserving non aq schools imo... 98 tulane was the only real snub but they didn't play a good schedule...
Of course when the ull invitational doesn't get ull, they'll go back to being just another crappy bowl
Of course when the ull invitational doesn't get ull, they'll go back to being just another crappy bowl
This post was edited on 12/28/13 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:09 pm to bigpapamac
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I think yall are crazy for suggesting anything that allows the CUSA champ, the Sun Belt champ, etc to get in automatically.
My proposal doesn't have autobids for anyone. The conference champions would have to meet a minimum standard to be playoff eligible.
Posted on 12/28/13 at 9:13 pm to chalmetteowl
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if it was good business to include those conferences, the BCS would have done it...
It wasn't good business to include the Big Least. The Orange Bowl has had a few stinkers in terms of matchups.
Plus even the AQ conferences can produce a champion with a small fan base. Look at Baylor--everyone agrees that the Big XII champ should be in a BCS bowl, but Baylor has limited TV appeal and couldn't sell its ticket allotment. That wasn't good for business.
If you want the postseason to be based on business decisions, you might as well let BSPN choose a handful of brand name teams and lock them in before the season.
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