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re: Worst Coaches to Reach the Final Four

Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:23 pm to
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:23 pm to
Guy Lewis deserves mention. He made it to the Final Four twice with Elvin Hayes and 3 times with Phi Slamma Jamma.
Posted by double d
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 1:31 pm to
List is garbage without Dale Brown
Posted by TexasTiger08
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 3:46 pm to
You don't accidentally make the Final Four 5 times. Guy Lewis is and was UH basketball. They obviously should have won a title, but he is not near the bottom of worst coaches to make a F4.
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 5:43 pm to
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List is garbage without Dale Brown



Sorry. 1986 was one of the greatest tournament coaching jobs of all time. 11 seed. Basically playing with 7-8 guys. Beat the 1, 2, and 3 seeds. He does not belong on the list.

If 1986 doesn't happen, he gets strong consideration for the list.
Posted by double d
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:18 pm to
I still love Bibby Knights line when Indiana was behind against LSU when he looked down the floor and saw Dale he knew his team was fine.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:21 pm to
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Guy Lewis deserves mention. He made it to the Final Four twice with Elvin Hayes and 3 times with Phi Slamma Jamma.


Recruited and developed a bunch of good players over a ten year stretch and made 5 final 4's- clearly a shite coach. You can't be serious
Posted by mattz1122
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:24 pm to
Too see how good he was all you have to do is look at the state of UofH bball before he arrived and after he left.
Posted by drizztiger
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:35 pm to
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I still love Bibby Knights line when Indiana was behind against LSU when he looked down the floor and saw Dale he knew his team was fine.
So much misinformation.

LSU was a 10 seed, Indiana was a loaded 1 seed. LSU was winning until Knight did his shtick and bullied the refs throwing a phone, etc. The refs bent over and spread their cheeks.
Posted by lsutigers1992
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 6:56 pm to
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LSU was a 10 seed, Indiana was a loaded 1 seed. LSU was winning until Knight did his shtick and bullied the refs throwing a phone, etc. The refs bent over and spread their cheeks.


Dale Brown took 5 teams to the Sweet Sixteen and beyond.

All 5 times, he lost to the eventual national champion.

Twice to Bobby Knight Indiana teams
Twice to Denny Crum Louisville teams
The 5th time was to Magic Johnson's Michigan State team
Posted by lsutigers1992
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:05 pm to
Other coaches who had one Final Four appearance but I didn't consider. I wonder if anyone has opinions on them:

Rick Majerus (good coach, built up 3 programs, almost won NC)
Rollie Massimino (won NC)
Jim Valvano (won NC)
Lou Carnasecca (NYC legend)
Billy Tubbs (had multiple successful teams)
PJ Carlesimo (took Michigan to OT in championship)
Shaka Smart (too soon)
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:11 pm to
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Lou Carnasecca
Good God, man.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:15 pm to
Knight didn't throw anything he hit a phone arguing a call.

Legend and reality mix.

As Bob Knight said "I knew we were going to win when I saw Dale Brown was coaching them."
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 7:17 pm
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:33 pm to
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You don't accidentally make the Final Four 5 times.
Good coaches don't go 0-5 with players like Elvin Hayes and Don Chaney or Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:37 pm to
He didn't go 0-5 as he won games in Final Four.

His teams weren't the best except for 1 time. He blew that game by letting Drexler back in though.

Lewis is same level as Tark maybe little better.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 7:38 pm
Posted by beaverfever
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:50 pm to
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As Bob Knight said "I knew we were going to win when I saw Dale Brown was coaching them."
I like old school coaches and whatnot but as time goes by I see knight less as a hardass and more as an a-hole. Being a great coach doesn't give you a pass for being a shitty person. I don't know Coach Knight personally but the more I hear about him the more he just seems like a bully. Random thought back to discussion.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 7:54 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:55 pm to
He was always good to us everytime he was around.

His players loved him. You've heard nobody that played 2 plus years for him say anything bad. He does things such as educational and charity work nobody knows about and he wants it that way.

He DGAF what you think of him as an outsider and he's going to do what he thinks is right no matter the repercussions.
This post was edited on 3/27/16 at 7:57 pm
Posted by drizztiger
Deal With it!
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 7:57 pm to
quote:

Legend and reality mix.

As Bob Knight said "I knew we were going to win when I saw Dale Brown was coaching them."
Exactly.

He never said that.

You should try to learn instead of regurgitating.
Posted by sms151t
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:00 pm to
I paraphrased but here's the exact quote

quote:

"I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance."
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:02 pm to
Yeah it's very close to what you said.

Bunch of people overrating Dale's coaching acumen in this thread.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/27/16 at 8:02 pm to
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Good coaches don't go 0-5 with players like Elvin Hayes and Don Chaney or Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler.


Bad coaches don't make 5 final 4's
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