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re: Will this be the year for the Astros?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:41 pm to Lester Earl
You need a hug man. Obviously I'm not the right person to hug you, as I am a big wet pussy and I'm thinking you really, really don't like pussy.
Come on...: will one of you MFers out there give this man a hug?
Come on...: will one of you MFers out there give this man a hug?
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Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:04 pm to Floating Change Up
its pretty sad you get riled up when im not even trying to 
Come on man
Come on manPosted on 2/19/16 at 1:28 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:41 pm to Lester Earl
I will admit I wanted another top shelf arm to shore up the rotation but at the same time things worked out last year decent enough with the same staff plus kazmir who was terrible after his first three starts with the stros.
I really think though that LMJ is the key. He is a true prototypical ace. If he makes progress and becomes solid 2 then sky's the limit.
The other big hole was a flame throwing closer which was addressed.
Overall I like the pieces, like the lineup, bullpen is solid and at times elite last year and we made it that much more versatile with Giles. Just need the youngsters to keep growing.
I really think though that LMJ is the key. He is a true prototypical ace. If he makes progress and becomes solid 2 then sky's the limit.
The other big hole was a flame throwing closer which was addressed.
Overall I like the pieces, like the lineup, bullpen is solid and at times elite last year and we made it that much more versatile with Giles. Just need the youngsters to keep growing.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:57 pm to Lester Earl
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2. Correa is going to be asked to be the best hitter in his lineup. Should he fall off, it will be a much bigger deal than Deshields. Both have 2 different approaches, Deshields is more of a contact speed guy, he is less likely to regress. He should fit into his role just fine.
So you're going to ask your 20 year old kid that's still learning the ropes to be your best hitter instead of your 2 time reigning Silver Slugger, hits leader?
We as fans may bite in hype, but the guys in charge and on the field wont.
I won't even get into George Springer with you.
....and the Angels are not "solid" from top to bottom. They'll feed on the bottom of the division with Oakland this year.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:42 pm to Prominentwon
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So you're going to ask your 20 year old kid that's still learning the ropes to be your best hitter instead of your 2 time reigning Silver Slugger, hits leader?
Altuve is great for what he is, but you need a run producer and Correa is that guy. They'll lean on both. I dont see why it needs to be one of the other.
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....and the Angels are not "solid" from top to bottom. They'll feed on the bottom of the division with Oakland this year.
they'd have to fall a long way to not be at least .500 this year. So yea, solid. What's your reasoning?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 3:54 pm to Lester Earl
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They'll lean on both. I dont see why it needs to be one of the other.
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2. Correa is going to be asked to be the best hitter in his lineup.
Your post insinuates that they're going to ask Correa to be the one to do it all when they have guys that can produce runs. I understand that you think Springer is lucky to be in the league, but he's only going to progress like Altuve and Correa. Rasmus is a legit run producer as well.
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they'd have to fall a long way to not be at least .500 this year. So yea, solid. What's your reasoning?
Would you be surprised if Pujols was out all year? That's alot of run production they'll be missing. Right now, he won't be back until after Opening Day and they were talking today saying he's got a very long way to go. So it wouldn't shock me to see him get back at the All Star break. If that.
That leaves you with Calhoun and Trout. Thats about it. Outside of those two, how are they going to produce?
Their rotation consists of Richards, who I love, but there's a drop off after him. Their bullpen wasnt great last year. Pray they get to use Street more times than using their middle relief. But with that rotation, doubtful.
Fangraphs projected them at 81 wins WITH pujols....IMO, theyre lucky to get to 75. Only because of Trout.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 4:03 pm to Prominentwon
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Your post insinuates that they're going to ask Correa to be the one to do it all when they have guys that can produce runs.
not it doesnt. It insinuates that he is expected to be the best hitter on the team. How can you sit here and argue otherwise?
Correa drove in more runs than Altuve AND Rasmus despite playing in only 99 games
He also drove in more than Chris Carter & Valbuena, both who hit 20 HRs+, and George Springer too who played in more games and had 27 less RBI
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Would you be surprised if Pujols was out all year?
all year? yea id be surprised if he didnt play at all.
CJ Cron could hit 30 HRs with a full time gig. Top to bottom their lineup isnt great, but it is solid.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 4:20 pm to Lester Earl
Too much talk of the big guys, when the less important guys are going to decide what kind of team we are.
If guys like Castro, Rasmus, Valbuena, Fiers, Feldman and Singleton (and even Springer to an extent since he's yet to play a full season due to injury) have good years, the sky is the limit.
In other words Correa gonna Correa and so is Altuve. It's about what the other guys do.
If guys like Castro, Rasmus, Valbuena, Fiers, Feldman and Singleton (and even Springer to an extent since he's yet to play a full season due to injury) have good years, the sky is the limit.
In other words Correa gonna Correa and so is Altuve. It's about what the other guys do.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 4:22 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
You can't really be taking Marle seriously in a Houston-related thread.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 5:33 pm to Lester Earl
I don't disagree with everything you say. At least not enough to call you a troll and all of that. But I do have to pick a part some things about the Rangers:
Choo didn't hit at all in 2014 either. He finished at around .240, 13 HRs and under 5 steals in 450-plus ABs. Then he doesn't hit at all in the first half of 2015. So that's 1.5 out of 2 full years he didn't do anything, yet you will list him here as someone you really like? I wouldn't count on him putting together an entire season all of a sudden.
So Correa is 1A and Odor is 1B as far as hitting goes? C'mon, seriously?
I've never heard Deshields and "tremendous" used together. He is what he is. He'll be solid on the base paths again, but I don't see any more upside than what he did last season. Edit: And you mention regression with Correa but Deshields will be tremendous based on his first year experience...ok
Yu will be on pitch counts and probably IP limits this season, imo. Hard to consider someone as an ace if he isn't expected to throw more than 150 IP in a season. Plus he returns mid may and they'll be taking it very slowly with him for the first couple of months, I'd assume. Even if he does return to form in Aug & September, again, no one will be facing his "ace" self for 4 out of the 6 months of the season.
I know this comes off as me knocking the Rangers. I still do think they are the toughest team in the West. So it's not all hate. I just don't think Choo & Deshields offer any more than last season, think its laughable to compare Odor & Correa offensively, and don't think Yu should be considered an Ace until he is back to full strength which may not even happen this season if they choose to be conservative with him.
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See, and I really like the Rangers offense. Choo didnt hit at all the 1st half.
Choo didn't hit at all in 2014 either. He finished at around .240, 13 HRs and under 5 steals in 450-plus ABs. Then he doesn't hit at all in the first half of 2015. So that's 1.5 out of 2 full years he didn't do anything, yet you will list him here as someone you really like? I wouldn't count on him putting together an entire season all of a sudden.
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If Correa is the best young hitter in the division, Odor is 1B
So Correa is 1A and Odor is 1B as far as hitting goes? C'mon, seriously?
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Deshields got his feet wet and should be a tremendous weapon for them.
I've never heard Deshields and "tremendous" used together. He is what he is. He'll be solid on the base paths again, but I don't see any more upside than what he did last season. Edit: And you mention regression with Correa but Deshields will be tremendous based on his first year experience...ok
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Then they throw the 2 Aces at you, Hamels and Yu.
Yu will be on pitch counts and probably IP limits this season, imo. Hard to consider someone as an ace if he isn't expected to throw more than 150 IP in a season. Plus he returns mid may and they'll be taking it very slowly with him for the first couple of months, I'd assume. Even if he does return to form in Aug & September, again, no one will be facing his "ace" self for 4 out of the 6 months of the season.
I know this comes off as me knocking the Rangers. I still do think they are the toughest team in the West. So it's not all hate. I just don't think Choo & Deshields offer any more than last season, think its laughable to compare Odor & Correa offensively, and don't think Yu should be considered an Ace until he is back to full strength which may not even happen this season if they choose to be conservative with him.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:12 pm to TTownTiger
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I've never heard Deshields and "tremendous" used together. He is what he is. He'll be solid on the base paths again, but I don't see any more upside than what he did last season.
If I'm not mistaken, he was also taken out of CF a few times as well. Not exactly an elite defender. Hes a decent runner too. Would have been 4th on Houston's club last year in OBP.
Not bad. Would have produced a few runs. Would have never seen the field because he would have been a 6th OFer defensive wise.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:41 pm to mattz1122
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You can't really be taking Marle seriously in a Houston-related thread.
I cant even give compliments, Prom still finds a way to twist it into me trolling. Dude is low IQ to the max
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:45 pm to TTownTiger
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So Correa is 1A and Odor is 1B as far as hitting goes? C'mon, seriously?
When Odor was recalled from the minors in May, he played 91 games:
15HR/52 RBI .292/.334/.527
Correa in 99 games
22HR/68 RBI 279/345/512
Odor hit for a better average, more slugging, and the same OBP. He wa arguably the best hitting 2B in the league from that point on.
Correa is only 6-7 months older.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:53 pm to Lester Earl
Astros have the biggest chance of falling back in my opinion... they exceeded expectations last year and I could see a drop this year....
I think the AL has several teams that could challenge the Astros and have them miss the playoffs.
I think the AL has several teams that could challenge the Astros and have them miss the playoffs.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:55 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 2/19/16 at 6:58 pm to Prominentwon
quote:Correa is a star, Altuve is a great player but not a franchise changing player like Correa... so yes I believe Correa will be asked to be the best player on the team and carry them much how the Angels are asking Trout, Nationals Harper, Cubs Bryant, etc...
So you're going to ask your 20 year old kid that's still learning the ropes to be your best hitter instead of your 2 time reigning Silver Slugger, hits leader?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:08 pm to Lester Earl
I like Odor a lot. Not knocking him. Even agree that he is the 2nd best young hitter in the West.
But the term 1a and 1b when comparing two things means they are interchangeable. If you end up with one instead of the other, you aren't missing out on much. I understand that for 90 games last season the two were similar. But no one, not anyone on this site or any baseball analyst in the world, would put money down that Odor produces at the same level as correa this upcoming season.
Give me a safe stat line projection of Odor this season: .275, 20 HR, 15 SB, 70 R & RBI? Would you say that is realistic goal? I think most would agree that stat line for Correa would be a major disappointment. Thats probably what many think Correas stat line will be if regression occurs (even if that stat line makes him one of the best offensive SS in the game). Not interchangeable if a stat line is the goal of one and a disappointment for the other.
Two things aren't "1a and 1b" when the overwhelming majority would take one of those options hands down over the other.
But the term 1a and 1b when comparing two things means they are interchangeable. If you end up with one instead of the other, you aren't missing out on much. I understand that for 90 games last season the two were similar. But no one, not anyone on this site or any baseball analyst in the world, would put money down that Odor produces at the same level as correa this upcoming season.
Give me a safe stat line projection of Odor this season: .275, 20 HR, 15 SB, 70 R & RBI? Would you say that is realistic goal? I think most would agree that stat line for Correa would be a major disappointment. Thats probably what many think Correas stat line will be if regression occurs (even if that stat line makes him one of the best offensive SS in the game). Not interchangeable if a stat line is the goal of one and a disappointment for the other.
Two things aren't "1a and 1b" when the overwhelming majority would take one of those options hands down over the other.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:13 pm to TTownTiger
quote:Considering that is close to what fangraphs projects over 148 games......
Odor this season: .275, 20 HR, 15 SB, 70 R & RBI?
Correa is project to move into the Manny, Trout, Harper, Bryant area and is expected to carry a team more.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 7:49 pm to Lester Earl
Because I'm the only one that calls you out on being a troll and you single me out.
You're such a little cun+ girl.
You're such a little cun+ girl.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 7:50 pm
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