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re: Will Derrick Henry be the last RB to make the HOF?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:07 pm to Madking
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:07 pm to Madking
You’re arguement was that he dragged bad teams to the playoffs.
he’s missed 9/17 games and the Titans went 12-5. They went 6-3 without him.
So to discredit that you argued about opponents. First you got it wrong that they beat the Rams with Henry. He didn’t play that game and they beat the eventual SB champs.
But then you said the only other decent team they beat was the 49ers but they didn’t have their starting RB.
So you have the Titans without their starting Rb and the 49ers without their starting RB. So who is the worse team?
he’s missed 9/17 games and the Titans went 12-5. They went 6-3 without him.
So to discredit that you argued about opponents. First you got it wrong that they beat the Rams with Henry. He didn’t play that game and they beat the eventual SB champs.
But then you said the only other decent team they beat was the 49ers but they didn’t have their starting RB.
So you have the Titans without their starting Rb and the 49ers without their starting RB. So who is the worse team?
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:12 pm to SammyTiger
You are one of 2 things… you hate Bama SO much that it reflects your feelings towards Henry. OR you thin that Fournette has always been the better back.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:19 pm to Madking
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Mariotta is 8-17 without Henry. He’s 26-23 with him. Tannehill is 33-22 with Henry, 48-47 without Henry. You’re talking about a 15-20% increase in wins just with him in the field coupled with less than average QB play. Thats a 3-4 wins per year difference.
they made the jump before he was even a starter. they were 3-13 in 2015 and went to 9-7 in 2016. Henry had 110 rushes. He didn’t have more than 65 yards in a game.
And they STAY 9-7 the next 3 seasons. Even as he gets more and more carries.
And here’s the thing, you’re definitely better with him on your team than not.
But saying he dragged a bad team to the playoffs every year but 2. well he was there 8 seasons. 2 they didn’t make the playoffs. 2 he wasn’t a starter and 1 he missed half the season.
So that’s 3 years he dragged them?
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:26 pm to dukke v
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You are one of 2 things… you hate Bama SO much that it reflects your feelings towards Henry. OR you thin that Fournette has always been the better back.
i just don’t think he is a HOF if he never played another game.
and the arguments Madking is making to defend that dumb argument are also dumb.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:26 pm to SammyTiger
Again an average of 3-4 wins difference per year. You can spin that however you want to but it doesn’t change the fact.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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He definitely won't.
Sproles has a HOF case and will be nominated at some point.
Sproles has 55 TDs from scrimmage.
This separates him from just about every other common returner who racked up all purpose yards via returns (Brian Mitchell, Josh Cribbs, Allen Rossum, Devin Hester).
His closest comp would be Eric Metcalf, who played more within the offense than most return guys. Metcalf has been nominated 8x.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:32 pm to Madking
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Again an average of 3-4 wins difference per year. You can spin that however you want to but it doesn’t change the fact.
If derrick henry was the sole reason why, shouldn’t their win total go up the more playing time he got?
2016 110 rushes 9 wins
2017 176 rushes 9 wins
2018 215 rushes 9 wins
2020 305 rushes 9 wins
2021 378 rushes 11 wins
2022 219 rushes 12 wins
2023 349 rushes 7 wins
2024 280 rushes 6 wins.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:33 pm to SammyTiger
You’re trying mental gymnastics and straw men now. What you’re saying makes no sense.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:34 pm to SammyTiger
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i just don’t think he is a HOF if he never played another game.
Sammy, how many 2x rushing champions are not in the HOF?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:38 pm to Madking
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You’re trying mental gymnastics and straw men now. What you’re saying makes no sense.
that’s not a straw man.
you’re arguing Henry is why the Titans got better.
i'm pointing out there is no relationship between his carrie’s and their record.
You have no answer to that so you throw out that dumb shite.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:40 pm to Lester Earl
I mean I like Sproles, but if you're comparing him to Eric Metcalf (which is a good comparison), that tells you he's not getting in. Like 150 guys get nominated, yea Metcalf was nominated, but he was never close to getting in. Sproles won't get close to getting in. Maybe he gets nominated, and that's a feat in itself, but it's a whole different ballgame to get in.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:41 pm to SammyTiger
No you’re not, you’re taking a with/without comparison and turning it into an added wins every year while he’s already playing scenario which is beyond retarded. Following your logic you’d just keep adding wins regardless of games. For example if Tom Brady were worth 5 wins you’d take their 11-5 record with Cassel and assume they’d get to 21 wins by the second season Brady returned which is comically stupid but that’s you.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:42 pm to Lester Earl
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Sammy, how many 2x rushing champions are not in the HOF?
How many were 34th on the all time rushing list?
and again, i’m not saying he can’t get in. i’m saying he can’t stop playing today and get in.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:46 pm to Madking
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No you’re not, you’re taking a with/without comparison and turning it into an added wins every year while he’s already playing scenario which is beyond retarded.
you’re with/without comparison ignores other variables, like idk the fact that they added Demarco Murray who was actually the starting RB.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:46 pm to SammyTiger
How many players who are top 11 in rushing TDs aren’t in the HOF?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:49 pm to Madking
Shawn Alexander
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:49 pm to SammyTiger
For 2 seasons where Henry surpassed him and led them to a playoff win lol. You're desperate and becoming more and more ridiculous.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 5:51 pm to SammyTiger
So your take is based on 6% support. I hope you don’t gamble.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:04 pm to Madking
this is you having your cake and trying to eat it.
You want to look at 2015 and 2016. With and without.
Well they got Murray in 2016 have him 200+ carrie’s and won 6 more games. Do you think he had more to do with that team winning 6 more game or Henry?
And if Henry is the reason they win, shouldn’t they win more the more henry gets the ball?
yes or no.
You want to look at 2015 and 2016. With and without.
Well they got Murray in 2016 have him 200+ carrie’s and won 6 more games. Do you think he had more to do with that team winning 6 more game or Henry?
And if Henry is the reason they win, shouldn’t they win more the more henry gets the ball?
yes or no.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 6:05 pm to Madking
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So your take is based on 6% support. I hope you don’t gamble.
he’s closer to Shawn Alexander than anyone else in the top 11.
in fact after 8 seasons they’re almost identical except Alexander at least played for a superbowl.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 6:07 pm
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