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re: Why is BJ Penn considered one of the greatest UFC lightweight fighters of all time?
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:21 am to Paul Allen
Posted on 8/22/26 at 7:21 am to Paul Allen
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That was a great era for the UFC. 2007-2015 was great.
That’s because there weren’t a million Muslim leg humpers making the most boring fights known to man.
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Posted on 8/22/26 at 8:35 am to grizzlylongcut
You do realize GSP was a takedown machine after the first Matt Serra fight in which he got tko’ed
Posted on 8/22/26 at 8:38 am to lsucoonass
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You do realize GSP was a takedown machine after the first Matt Serra fight in which he got tko’ed
Wrestling in order to gain position to ground and pound is a lot different than what the Muslims do.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 8:47 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Watched most of GSP fights a few weeks ago.
Paramount goes back that far?
Edit: It does! I found where you watched these.
This post was edited on 8/22/26 at 8:52 am
Posted on 8/22/26 at 9:05 am to Paul Allen
At one point he arguably possessed top 3 best boxing, jiu jitsu and chin in MMA. And would fight anyone. Unfortunately he had a rep for half arse training and ended up overstaying his welcome.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 1:19 pm to Paul Allen
In his prime he was a beast but he spend a good portion of his prime fighting welterweights
Honestly he was never in the best shape, so he had no business fighting up. probably should have cut more.
I feel like once you fall off in MMA it’s a brutal fall off. But he kept fighting which is why his record sucks.
Honestly he was never in the best shape, so he had no business fighting up. probably should have cut more.
I feel like once you fall off in MMA it’s a brutal fall off. But he kept fighting which is why his record sucks.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 1:36 pm to Paul Allen
There's an interesting fight video by GSP describing BJ Penn (who GSP fought and beat twice, the first time in a very close decision).
Apparently BJ had the fastest striking speed of anyone in UFC in his era. GSP talked about his fight coach breaking down how to deal with that successfully.
Apparently BJ had the fastest striking speed of anyone in UFC in his era. GSP talked about his fight coach breaking down how to deal with that successfully.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 2:22 pm to grizzlylongcut
Not really, GSP didn’t have the gnp like mark coleman or fedor. He had great positioning precision and game planning
Posted on 8/22/26 at 2:32 pm to Paul Allen
Pride >>>> UFC all day long.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 4:08 pm to Paul Allen
There was a point where he was nearly unbeatable. He had great skills in both stand up and jujitsu. On top of all of that he was probably the most flexible fighter in the history of the UFC, to the point where it was a legitimate huge advantage in his ground skills. He went off a cliff once he was past his prime.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 8:48 pm to Paul Allen
He's both a legend and overrated if that makes sense. I personally think he's overrated. Wasted his talent via laziness (although I guess that's better than wasting your talent via constantly fricking up like Jon Jones). Dominated in his most 'motivated" fights (quit against GSP and then in his prime against smaller Frankie Edgar). Always had excuses like greasegate or PED accusations yet he's the proven cheater.
Posted on 8/22/26 at 9:00 pm to OhioLSUfan
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UFC stopped having a 155 division for awhile during his prime, he had to fight up a weight class
With how much guys cut weight today, BJ is probably a natural 145er, and still won the 170 title.
He's a prodigy. A phenom. But never trained much. Just loved to fight.
When he actually did actually train hard, though, he was basically unstoppable.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 8:35 pm to molsusports
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There's an interesting fight video by GSP describing BJ Penn (who GSP fought and beat twice, the first time in a very close decision). Apparently BJ had the fastest striking speed of anyone in UFC in his era. GSP talked about his fight coach breaking down how to deal with that successfully.
I watched what you’re talking about a couple of weeks ago.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 3:40 am to iwyLSUiwy
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With all the fights being on Paramount now I've been going back and watching all the fights of the all time greats. Watched most of GSP fights a few weeks ago. BJ Penn was supposedly in the best shape of his life for that fight and he got manhandled. Technically Penn's corner through in the towel, not Penn. I kind of agree with the "Penn never gave up" statement. He had some fun fights. But man GSP was a freaking bad arse. That was a fun re-watch going through his fights.
Vaseline
Posted on 8/24/26 at 3:42 am to Shoulderchoke
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His rise was pretty meteoric. He was the first non-Brazilian to win the World Jiu-Jitsu Championship at black belt level which was a really big deal. He had major success in both the US & Japan in MMA. Then he won both the UFC WW & LW titles. He’d fight any weight class but His issue was he never seemed to taking training serious. The running joke was always how great a “motivated BJ Penn” could be.
If I’m not mistaken his rise was so quick at a world tournament in Brazil two different Gracie’s (I think) said they would both give him a black belt if he beat two specific people or won two events, I forgot.
Penn won both and did this I believe in less than 5 years total.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 3:43 am to molsusports
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GSP talked about his fight coach breaking down how to deal with that successfully.
Shouldn’t block with your face.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 3:00 pm to jizzle6609
Yes that’s correct
His family is very wealthy, so he had access to great private instruction and training jiu jitsu all day.
To get your black in that time frame in the era was unheard of.
Not too many can do it today despite how evolved bjj/submission grappling has become and what your academy specializes in. I think Travis Stevens is the fastest at 18 months (under John Danaher), then again he was silver medalist in the 2012 or 2016 Olympic Games in Judo
His family is very wealthy, so he had access to great private instruction and training jiu jitsu all day.
To get your black in that time frame in the era was unheard of.
Not too many can do it today despite how evolved bjj/submission grappling has become and what your academy specializes in. I think Travis Stevens is the fastest at 18 months (under John Danaher), then again he was silver medalist in the 2012 or 2016 Olympic Games in Judo
Posted on 8/24/26 at 3:08 pm to Paul Allen
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Why is BJ Penn considered one of the greatest UFC lightweight fighters of all time?
He literally used to lick his opponent's blood off of his gloves after kicking the ever living s*** outta them.
Respect
Posted on 8/24/26 at 4:25 pm to SammyTiger
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I feel like once you fall off in MMA it’s a brutal fall off. But he kept fighting which is why his record sucks.
Yea records don't always tell the whole story. Plenty of these dudes fight way longer than they should, which is typical for combat sports. Boxers are notorious for it. But even someone like Nunes record tells a different story. Has 5 loses but three of them were before the UFC. It's like that with plenty of fighters that have racked up losses even before getting to the UFC.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 4:28 pm to VoodooGlowSkull
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Paramount goes back that far?
Edit: It does! I found where you watched these.
Yea it's a pretty great feature.
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