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re: Why does Michigan insist on keeping Harbaugh?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:19 pm to GoGators04
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:19 pm to GoGators04
His only problem is not beating Ohio State. Twice he has led a 10-1 Michigan team into that game with the division on the line.
Should Wisconsin fire Paul Chryst for his inability to beat Ohio State? Should
Should Nebraska have fired Osborne when OU was kicking cornhusker arse every year?
Should Tennessee fired Fat Phil before he broke through against Florida??
I actually wonder how many good coaches would have survived the good but not great years of their tenures if this board had hiring/firing powers.
Should Wisconsin fire Paul Chryst for his inability to beat Ohio State? Should
Should Nebraska have fired Osborne when OU was kicking cornhusker arse every year?
Should Tennessee fired Fat Phil before he broke through against Florida??
I actually wonder how many good coaches would have survived the good but not great years of their tenures if this board had hiring/firing powers.
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Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:22 pm to PEPE
Yeah, Michigan may just be destined for 9-3 type records. It's not the end of the world.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:22 pm to LittleRockHog501
If this board had hiring and firing powers Saban would have been fired in year 1 at both LSU and Bama b/c he lost to UAB and ULM.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:36 pm to Dr RC
People forget that before the great Nebraska teams of the 90s Tom Osborne spent a decade plus as the guy who couldn't win the big one. In today's environment he would have been turned over in the late 1980s.
It seems every program wants instant gratification. If you're not winning Natty's you suck and it's time to be replaced. In that way, Saban broke college football. Too many programs dump coaches too soon and end up repeating the rebuild cycle.
It seems every program wants instant gratification. If you're not winning Natty's you suck and it's time to be replaced. In that way, Saban broke college football. Too many programs dump coaches too soon and end up repeating the rebuild cycle.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:38 pm to GoGators04
He’s a great coach who has had mostly bad luck. However well he does at Michigan is how good Michigan is.
This post was edited on 2/12/20 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:40 pm to oleyeller
Michigan is nowhere near the program Nebraska was. When was their last outright National Title? Nebraska either won or played for a National Title in every single decade from the 60s through the 00s. Outside of 1997 Michigan has been a product of their journalism school and the fact that Big Ten schools accept anyone in the Rust Belt with a pulse and a completed application creating these enrollments of 50k plus.
There are at least 20, if not more, programs that have won a National Title since Michigan last one an outright one. Why we allow Big Ten marks to hype them up as some sort of football elite because they were beating literal high school programs and trade schools during Reconstruction, I will never understand.
There are at least 20, if not more, programs that have won a National Title since Michigan last one an outright one. Why we allow Big Ten marks to hype them up as some sort of football elite because they were beating literal high school programs and trade schools during Reconstruction, I will never understand.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:44 pm to TheeRealCarolina
Michigan is a better program all-time by literally every metric.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:56 pm to xiv
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Michigan is a better program all-time by literally every metric.
Does national titles in an era where Army and Navy aren't premier programs count as a metric?
Posted on 2/12/20 at 10:58 pm to saintsfan22
They have zero real national championships since 1948. Let’s be real here, that shared one in ‘97 is as legit as that one Southern Cal was given in ‘03. It’s a media trophy that means frick all.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:14 pm to GoGators04
Life insurance payments. And the Michigan milk Mafioso.
Posted on 2/12/20 at 11:48 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Miami isn't a blue blood - they're new money.
Maybe so.
But in the modern era of college football, Miami has ten times the national titles Michigan does.
Miami - 5
Michigan - .5
Posted on 2/13/20 at 1:30 am to AlonsoWDC
Yeah but blue blood is blue blood...ergo the term.
If Boise State wins 5 National Titles in the next 20 years are they suddenly Michigan?
It's pedigree. It's history. Boise State was a fricking Division 1AA school 30 years ago.
Blue Blood doesn't mean hottest teams now. Blue blood is what programs were the backbone that gave this game life. And were consistent throughout time in winning. Maybe not National titles (but what is that, it's just fricking votes by random writers for 100 years of CFB - can't control that) but in winning, you can control that...and in Michigan's case, winning more games than anyone.
This is the same stuff people say about ND.
fricking Knute Rockne. If ND and Michigan aren't Blue Bloods then CFB has no blue bloods, they just have what have you done for me latelies.
To say Michigan isn't a Blue Blood is to say Thomas Jefferson isn't a founding father...most absurd, idiotic contention that shows lack of history and understanding of the sport beyond what has happened in the last 30 years.
Michigan began competing in 1879 (USC didn't start until 1888, Alabama until 1892)..the Big House was built in 1927...11 National Titles, Most Wins of any Program, 42 Conference Titles, they were the Champions of the West when that was the West.
That's Rockafeller, that's Vanderbilt, that's old money as old money can be.
Michigan is the ultimate blue blood - they're the fricking definition. They have 4 seasons more wins over Ohio State and 5 seasons more wins over Alabama and six seasons more wins over Notre Dame.
If Boise State wins 5 National Titles in the next 20 years are they suddenly Michigan?
It's pedigree. It's history. Boise State was a fricking Division 1AA school 30 years ago.
Blue Blood doesn't mean hottest teams now. Blue blood is what programs were the backbone that gave this game life. And were consistent throughout time in winning. Maybe not National titles (but what is that, it's just fricking votes by random writers for 100 years of CFB - can't control that) but in winning, you can control that...and in Michigan's case, winning more games than anyone.
This is the same stuff people say about ND.
fricking Knute Rockne. If ND and Michigan aren't Blue Bloods then CFB has no blue bloods, they just have what have you done for me latelies.
To say Michigan isn't a Blue Blood is to say Thomas Jefferson isn't a founding father...most absurd, idiotic contention that shows lack of history and understanding of the sport beyond what has happened in the last 30 years.
Michigan began competing in 1879 (USC didn't start until 1888, Alabama until 1892)..the Big House was built in 1927...11 National Titles, Most Wins of any Program, 42 Conference Titles, they were the Champions of the West when that was the West.
That's Rockafeller, that's Vanderbilt, that's old money as old money can be.
Michigan is the ultimate blue blood - they're the fricking definition. They have 4 seasons more wins over Ohio State and 5 seasons more wins over Alabama and six seasons more wins over Notre Dame.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 1:42 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 2:34 am to bad93ex
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Was Coach O the first choice for LSU?
Irrelevant. With the last three head coaches at LSU having won national championships, it shows that LSU makes the coach more than the coach makes LSU.
Miles stayed long after he should have gone.
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Also LSU has been a far better program over the past two decades over Michigan.
You could insert many schools other than LSU into that sentence, and it would still be true. UCF, Memphis, Boise State...
Edit: Ranking the Best College Football Programs Since 2000
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 2:43 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 5:25 am to GoGators04
Does Harbaugh still do camps in Florida?
They can’t keep up with tOSU in recruiting. Michigan and Nebraska (to an even greater degree), need to recruit mostly nationally to be viable “blue bloods.”
They can’t keep up with tOSU in recruiting. Michigan and Nebraska (to an even greater degree), need to recruit mostly nationally to be viable “blue bloods.”
Posted on 2/13/20 at 6:33 am to GoGators04
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Why does Michigan insist on keeping Harbaugh?
He’s 47-13 against teams not named Ohio State
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guess cause he has been to a SB and is a Michigan man. Otherwise, if his name was Brady, he would be gone by now.
Brady is a Michigan man too
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 6:35 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:25 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Blue Blood doesn't mean hottest teams now. Blue blood is what programs were the backbone that gave this game life. And were consistent throughout time in winning. Maybe not National titles (but what is that, it's just fricking votes by random writers for 100 years of CFB - can't control that) but in winning, you can control that...and in Michigan's case, winning more games than anyone.
Are Army, Princeton, Minnesota and Georgia Tech blue bloods?
They have about as many titles as Michigan the last 70 years.
Are the Cleveland Browns blue bloods of the NFL? Do you know how many titles they've won historically?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:26 am to VADawg
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they don't recruit in the same stratosphere as Ohio State, and I'm not really sure why
They're not as advanced at cheating as Doz Useless Nutz? Who has Michigan ever had to compare with Cheaty McSweatervest and Urban Liar?
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:41 am to VADawg
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Their biggest issue is they don't recruit in the same stratosphere as Ohio State, and I'm not really sure why they haven't been able to.
here, let me be of assistance.
You go to rivals state by state recruiting.
Look at ohio.
Pick this most recent data and any random year a few years back.
Ohio usually has 80 to 100 kids.
Michigan has 10 or 20.
Ohio has more 4 stars than mich has listed including mostly 3 stars.
A lot of ohio kids grew up wanting to be a buckeye.
Notre dame will recruit the michigan catholic stars.
Michigan state gets a couple of 4 stars.
Some A student 3 stars will pick northwestern.
Lsu gets a 4 or 5 star out of mich.
Michigan is forced to recruit nationally.
Its currently #1 public university. Cal berkeley is #2 after decades at #1. Money talks.
If you go to a hockey site michigan has comparable to minnesota and massachusetts. Guys who would be football in new orleans go to michigan tech.
Any questions?
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:43 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:48 am to CelticDog
In life there are moments that, although they dont seem that earth-shattering at the time, turn out to be exactly that. The trajectory of Harbaugh's tenure at Michigan was decided on Oct 17th 2015 with the botched punt against Michigan state. They have never recovered from that fatal wound.
This post was edited on 2/13/20 at 7:50 am
Posted on 2/13/20 at 7:51 am to CelticDog
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Any questions?
How does poor old Oklahoma make Texas their bitch year after year?
Clemson has to compete with another major state university in a relatively small state and wins championships. How is that possible?
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