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re: Why Does Anthony Get More Hate When He Actually Reached the WCF Unlike Paul?

Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:15 pm to
Funny that this has become an excuse for cp apologists years down the road when guys like myself were dismissed for saying this way back when Paul was a hornet.
Posted by REG861
Ocelot, Iowa
Member since Oct 2011
37785 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:19 pm to
It's not fair to blame this series loss solely on Paul, or even mostly on him, necessarily. The Clippers as a whole didn't play great defense. Jordan was a virtual non-factor the entire series and was in constant foul trouble due to stupid errors. Not Paul's fault. Crawford chucked and chucked until the Clips finally gave up big leads. I think the loss in game 5 was actually on him, not Paul. Griffin wasn't entirely good either this series.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
87455 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:20 pm to
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The best of them (PCT) still can't sit back and let his Rocket bias go when comparing the teams, and he's the best we got.


I can't let my Rocket bias go? I disagree. I just don't agree with everything y'all say over there. The minute someone tries to reign y'all in we're trolling. If rooting for my team is unbiased, then I'm guilty. Other than that I am as objective as they come and can't think of many Pelicans fans on here who can say the same thing.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14654 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:25 pm to
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When was the last time a team won a finals with their PG as their best player?

Spurs won in 2007 when Parker won finals MVP, but Tim Duncan was still the best player on that team then

Pistons won in 03 with Chauncey winning finals MVP, but I'm not convinced he was necessarily the best player on the team. I think it was Ben Wallace imo

Before that you have to go back to bad boy Pistons era with Isaih to find the last time a truly elite PG won the finals.

Which begs the question, is the pg position the most overrated position in basketball. Many people always say that the pg position is most important. Then why is it that the last time a truly elite superstar pg won it all was 24 years ago.



Exactly my point, you need a dominant big man or wing scorer to win in the nba, not a point guard. I will say that the 2 best players on that detroit championship team were billups and rip hamilton however. Even when the lakers were winning in the 80s, magic still had kareem. Isaiah is really the only point guard in the last 30 years to win a championship that was clearly the best player on his team.
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27847 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:29 pm to
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Which begs the question, is the pg position the most overrated position in basketball. Many people always say that the pg position is most important. Then why is it that the last time a truly elite superstar pg won it all was 24 years ago.
It's out-dated thinking that the PG is the most important position in basketball.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13683 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:07 pm to
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A team that is good at passing the ball is what is needed.

A very very small percentage of scoring is done where a PG makes a great pass that leads directly to points.

Passing is important in basketball, but your team's offense has to have 5 willing passers on the floor who swing the ball to the open man.

That's why a PG is not going to lead a team anywhere unless he can score a lot of points efficiently
this is why tony parkers assist numbers arent very high. the spurs have incredible ball movement and always make the extra pass. that often leads to someone else getting the assist.

rondo on the other hand dribbles the air out of the ball and shot clock and at the last minute feeds a guy the ball where he has to jack it up. thats why his assist numbers are inflated.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13683 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:22 pm to
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carmelo anthony is a flawed player-- he doesnt defend or rebound particularly well
Averaged 8 rebounds this year when he excelled as a small-ball 4. Averaged 7 the year before
so hes an average rebounder for a 4 and sucks on defense. is that a fair compromise?
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they'd be the star, not melo. and melo doesnt want that.
He seemed to handle being Team USA's 6th man pretty well
he was on his best behavior for 3 weeks when he was clearly not the star of the show and they won every game. what a true sportsmen
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s i said, if your argument is those guys arent great scorers, too, i would argue that would make them better players then carmelo
Ask Trail Blazer fans what they think of Cupcake Felton
stars dont want to play with melo. felton is the type of player you end up with. i didnt say felton was a legit building block piece with melo
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13683 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:23 pm to
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he said he couldnt play with jeremy linn b/c linn was ball dominant
James Dolan's first intelligent decision was not re-signing Lin for 4 years.
linn is a guy who can score. i thought thats what melo needed? help scoring bc he cant do EVERYTHING!! so you had a guy, but his contract was the problem? the knicks being financially responsible, hilarious!
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You think Houston isn't kicking themselves for letting Dragic go in favor of Lin?
dragic had his chance in houston and didnt play very well. all 30 teams could have picked him up if they wanted. he landed in phoenix and played great. good for him. morey makes millions of moves, they dont all work. i love linn as the 6th man coming off the bench. i cringe at the idea of him being my starting PG, but i love his scoring ability off the bench
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then blaming others when it doesnt work out
When did he do that this year, in what was obviously the lowest point of his career?
for all the crap i giove melo, i will say this-- he takes his media beating like a man. youre right, he doesnt lash out publicly, and he does sit and answer tough questions without acting like a child. good for him. but alot of that is also what he asked for when denver was too small a pond for him and his wife. but theres turmoil behind the scenes, him considering bailing and going to chicago. what i should have said is "the melo defenders blaming everyone in the world but best player on the team"
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 1:24 pm
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27847 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:40 pm to
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dragic had his chance in houston and didnt play very well. all 30 teams could have picked him up if they wanted. he landed in phoenix and played great. good for him. morey makes millions of moves, they dont all work. i love linn as the 6th man coming off the bench. i cringe at the idea of him being my starting PG, but i love his scoring ability off the bench
That's not really true. Dragic played very well in Houston, and Morey would have loved to keep him. But Morey had his eyes on trying to get a star player. And Morey said the issue with Dragic was the player option.

He said having player options on the roster limits their ability to get a star player. He said players with player options are nearly untradable, so that would be difficult when trying to work trades to get a star.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59874 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:50 pm to
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That's not really true. Dragic played very well in Houston, and Morey would have loved to keep him. But Morey had his eyes on trying to get a star player. And Morey said the issue with Dragic was the player option.
There was a post on clutchfans by one of the well connected posters that said that Morey want to keep Dragic but Alexander saw $$ and told him to sign Lin.
Posted by Boomtown
Member since Jan 2014
1986 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 1:55 pm to
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so hes an average rebounder for a 4 and sucks on defense. is that a fair compromise


No, considering he predominantly plays the 3, I was just stating that he excelled offensively as a small-ball 4, which is true. 8 rebounds pg is the best mark of all small forwards this year, Durant included.
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he was on his best behavior for 3 weeks when he was clearly not the star of the show and they won every game. what a true sportsmen

He's been on other Olympic teams, too. It's a shame Amare's career went the way it did. Who knows.
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the knicks being financially responsible, hilarious!

Letting Lin go was a financially responsible decision (what two contracts would Houston need to move to make a run at Melo? Hint: one is Lin's), resigning JR Smith was not.

I'm not a Melo fanboy by any means, but the guy played his arse off on a terrible team this year who had a lame duck coach. He didn't go out to some phantom injury like a lot of other guys would have and he didn't bitch.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44108 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:08 pm to
The Nuggets actually won more games (57) after he left
Posted by PrimeTime Money
Houston, Texas, USA
Member since Nov 2012
27847 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:09 pm to
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There was a post on clutchfans by one of the well connected posters that said that Morey want to keep Dragic but Alexander saw $$ and told him to sign Lin.

And I think he's full of shite.
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13683 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:14 pm to
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so hes an average rebounder for a 4 and sucks on defense. is that a fair compromise
No, considering he predominantly plays the 3, I was just stating that he excelled offensively as a small-ball 4, which is true. 8 rebounds pg is the best mark of all small forwards this year, Durant included.
so youre admitting hes playing a small ball 4, but then want to classify him as a 3. you cant have it both ways....
Posted by Boomtown
Member since Jan 2014
1986 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:17 pm to
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so youre admitting hes playing a small ball 4, but then want to classify him as a 3. you cant have it both ways....


So how would classify LeBron then?

He played two different positions this year, and spent more time at the 3. However, when he played the 4 the Knicks played some of their best basketball. I don't understand why this is so hard.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13683 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:19 pm to
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I was just stating that he excelled offensively as a small-ball 4
he pads his own stats well that way. hes too quick for most 4s. too bad he cant guard any legit 4 in the league. so he essential gives up as much as gets. given their season, its hard to make an argument it was effect on the scoreboard
Posted by PapiGogo
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since May 2012
382 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 2:42 pm to
I've never seen Chris Paul double-teamed. Never.
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
13033 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 3:53 pm to
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I've never seen Chris Paul double-teamed. Never.


What? Have you been watching basketball for about 2 weeks now?
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 6:24 pm to
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like jose calderon


Racist.
Posted by LosLobos111
Austere
Member since Feb 2011
45385 posts
Posted on 5/16/14 at 8:52 pm to
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just because you have a scoring point guard doesnt mean you always win thats pretty narrow minded


Yet you think having a PG that just passes and can't score is a key to success?

If you knew anything about basketball(you don't sadly) you'd know balance between being able to score/pass/defend is key.



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and when did i ever say i was a wolves fan?...i was just making an argument for rubio...is your reading comprehension lacking


With the way you're white knightning for him it's easy to make that mistake.

You're either an awful troll or stupid(likely both)
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