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re: Why Does Anthony Get More Hate When He Actually Reached the WCF Unlike Paul?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:41 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 5/16/14 at 9:41 am to Boomshockalocka
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Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:01 am to Boomshockalocka
Welching on your self imposed ban bet. I'm just giving you a hard time, I think I like you more than most on the PT. It's good to have rival fans in appropriate doses 
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 10:02 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:03 am to TigerinATL
There'a a pretty vocal minority over there who doesn't appreciate the differing opinions on their pels board. 
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:03 am to Boomshockalocka
Yeah, you really know how to push some people's buttons.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:09 am to Boomshockalocka
I can attest to that.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:24 am to Boomtown
quote:this is where the melo argument falls apart. carmelo anthony is a flawed player-- he doesnt defend or rebound particularly well. so you build a team around a flawed player, and its a flawed team. the knicks and formerly the nuggets have to be built with bigs who will do the dirty work like rebound and defend, b/c melo thinks his job is only to jack up shots. these bigs are skilled defensively, but flawed offensively. think about it, if they were good to great offensively as well, they'd be the star, not melo. and melo doesnt want that.
Melo's game is dominating the ball and getting his.
Who should Melo pass to? JR Smith? Cupcake Felton?
so you have a whole team of tyson chandlers, shumperts, camby, kidd, k-mart or back in denver it was nene, birdman, billups-- all guys who are there to compensate for what melo wont do. as i said, if your argument is those guys arent great scorers, too, i would argue that would make them better players then carmelo, knocking him down to the robin role to someone else's batman. a role he has not proven he will take on (and leave the 3 week olympics argument the f outta here)
and then theres the problem that hes a ball stopper. other great players dont want to play with him b/c they know they wont get their shots, until melo gets his first. hes ball centric. he said he couldnt play with jeremy linn b/c linn was ball dominant (though not a ball stopper like anthony). so the only people who will play with him are guys like jr smith, who most other teams have no interest, or older/aging vets like jason kidd and chauncey billups who will surrender the ball to melo.
so he cant have a point guard who handles the ball too much, needs a team full of defending/ rebounding complimentary players, and carmelo still wants max money. i mean, we all do, but hes not sacrificing anything or anywhere. on top of that, he forced his way out of a good situation in denver so he could play where he wanted to, making that team give up valuable pieces they really didnt have to if carmelo could have waited a few months for FA. but he had to have his cake and eat it too. he always does. life for anthony is taking care of #1, then blaming others when it doesnt work out. get a(n at the time dynamic, influx of energy and excitement from) jeremy linn? complain he doesnt mesh with your style and get him shipped outta town. when hes gone, complain theres no one there to help you score. rinse, repeat. throw parties when you rarely get out of the first round
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:54 am to TigerinATL
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Welching on your self imposed ban bet. I'm just giving you a hard time, I think I like you more than most on the PT. It's good to have rival fans in appropriate doses
Oops. It's not about disliking rival fans. It's about having them spewing the same tired nonsense over and over. I'd love to have more intelligent fans from Southwest teams on our board giving us an actual opinion/alternate perspective on our team *hint hint RTR America* and discussing. The Rockets rah rah crowd is old, tiresome, unwavering, and self serve their own Rockets agenda. The best of them (PCT) still can't sit back and let his Rocket bias go when comparing the teams, and he's the best we got.
Hopefully when the Pels win more and become competitive we acquire a more diverse board population.
On topic, CP3 gets a pass because he just isn't the same player health wise that he was before IMO. If you watch 2007-2008 CP3 highlights for 3 minutes you will understand immediately that he has lost a good bit of his athletic advantage.
Look at his string of luck too
07-08 - Took Spurs to 7 and lost.
08-09 - Injuries took it's toll on the season, Chandler wasn't even close to 100% come playoff time, and the FA moves were a joke at best.
09-10 - Knee injury
10-11 - West gets hurt before the playoffs. CP3 still gimpy and playing with Belinelli/Ariza/Landry/Okafor (
) 11-13 - Griffin/Jordan still way too raw and he brought that team into playoff contention from day 1. Nagging injuries.
This season - Nagging injuries still. He screwed up bad at the end of game 5. First time I think you could truly blast him for what happened to his team in the playoffs.
Coaches - Byron Scott , Monty Williams , Jeff Bower, Vinny Del Negro , Doc Rivers (finally)
Owners - Shinn , NBA , Sterling
He will never be the same player that he was and is probably the one player in the league that does the most with less. I personally remember the old CP3 and the killer in him. This Hollywood/flopping version is softer. He got roped into the "cool" crowd. The sooner these players realize that they should stay true to themselves instead of following LBJ around like puppies the better.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 10:58 am to JabarkusRussell
b/c Melo blew up a Finals contender when he cried his way out of Denver.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:00 am to ShamelessPel
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I personally remember the old CP3 and the killer in him. This Hollywood/flopping version is softer. He got roped into the "cool" crowd. The sooner these players realize that they should stay true to themselves instead of following LBJ around like puppies the better.
He flops just as much now as he did in New Orleans. He was maybe even more of a flopper here.
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He will never be the same player that he was and is probably the one player in the league that does the most with less.
What exactly has he done? This is homerism at its best. He hasn't done much of anything.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:01 am to ShamelessPel
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I'd love to have more intelligent fans from Southwest teams on our board giving us an actual opinion/alternate perspective on our team *hint hint RTR America* and discussing.
RTR is a very Good poster, but he doesn't have the same amount of basketball knowledge as guys like PCT, c on z, PTM, and I. you can see it in his posts. Maybe you like him because you don't feel threatened.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:03 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:03 am to ShamelessPel
quote:its just excuse, after excuse, after excuse. injuries are part of the game. i dont hear everyone putting yao ming in the top 5 (actually i believe 1 person mentioned it
Look at his string of luck too
07-08 - Took Spurs to 7 and lost.
08-09 - Injuries took it's toll on the season, Chandler wasn't even close to 100% come playoff time, and the FA moves were a joke at best.
09-10 - Knee injury
10-11 - West gets hurt before the playoffs. CP3 still gimpy and playing with Belinelli/Ariza/Landry/Okafor ( )
11-13 - Griffin/Jordan still way too raw and he brought that team into playoff contention from day 1. Nagging injuries.
This season - Nagging injuries still. He screwed up bad at the end of game 5. First time I think you could truly blast him for what happened to his team in the playoffs.
Coaches - Byron Scott , Monty Williams , Jeff Bower, Vinny Del Negro , Doc Rivers (finally)
Owners - Shinn , NBA , Sterling
) despite how dominant he was on the court. most important part of ability is availability. yao couldnt stay healthy, so hes not a top player. quote:if by more you mean not tasting the 3rd round of the playoffs, then i would agree, its more
one player in the league that does the most with less
paul and athony do have one thing in common: a legion of fans who continuously make excuses for them while still thinking LBJ isnt clutch
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:04 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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carmelo anthony is a flawed player-- he doesnt defend or rebound particularly well
Averaged 8 rebounds this year when he excelled as a small-ball 4. Averaged 7 the year before
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they'd be the star, not melo. and melo doesnt want that.
He seemed to handle being Team USA's 6th man pretty well
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as i said, if your argument is those guys arent great scorers, too, i would argue that would make them better players then carmelo
Ask Trail Blazer fans what they think of Cupcake Felton
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he said he couldnt play with jeremy linn b/c linn was ball dominant
James Dolan's first intelligent decision was not re-signing Lin for 4 years. You think Houston isn't kicking themselves for letting Dragic go in favor of Lin?
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then blaming others when it doesnt work out.
When did he do that this year, in what was obviously the lowest point of his career?
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:24 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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paul and athony do have one thing in common: a legion of fans who continuously make excuses for them while still thinking LBJ isnt clutch
I'm not a fan of either by a long shot. I hate the Clippers massively and not even having their season unfairly derailed by the media could change that.
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if by more you mean not tasting the 3rd round of the playoffs, then i would agree, its more
CP3 has a 25.6 career PER and a career WS/48 higher than your boy LBJ. No I'm not saying he's better at all for the record. It's just ridiculous for people to say he's not anything but the best PG in the league. His advanced grades by any metric are insane.
People are just throwing temper tantrums at the guy because he blew game 5.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:29 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
A PG distributing the ball is highly overrated.
A team that is good at passing the ball is what is needed.
A very very small percentage of scoring is done where a PG makes a great pass that leads directly to points.
Passing is important in basketball, but your team's offense has to have 5 willing passers on the floor who swing the ball to the open man.
That's why a PG is not going to lead a team anywhere unless he can score a lot of points efficiently.
A team that is good at passing the ball is what is needed.
A very very small percentage of scoring is done where a PG makes a great pass that leads directly to points.
Passing is important in basketball, but your team's offense has to have 5 willing passers on the floor who swing the ball to the open man.
That's why a PG is not going to lead a team anywhere unless he can score a lot of points efficiently.
This post was edited on 5/16/14 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:38 am to JabarkusRussell
quote:Jamal Crawford was the worst player in that series, statistically and based on anything else you want to.
The Clipper bench is better then the Wolves starters.
He shuts the offensive flow down, shooting the ball so much, and he missed most of em.
And he's the best player off that bench.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:49 am to PrimeTime Money
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A PG distributing the ball is highly overrated.
A team that is good at passing the ball is what is needed.
A very very small percentage of scoring is done where a PG makes a great pass that leads directly to points.
Passing is important in basketball, but your team's offense has to have 5 willing passers on the floor who swing the ball to the open man.
That's why a PG is not going to lead a team anywhere unless he can score a lot of points efficiently.
Exactly. And what roster has been constructed to help CP3 be anything but a ball dominant guard? This is what makes CP3 special. He can efficiently score, turns the ball over at a ridiculous rate, and does an amazing job in PnR and setting up his bigs. For someone that's literally been asked to do everything on the offensive end his entire career, he has been nothing short of exceptional.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 11:51 am to gnarkill1529
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typical one minded basketball fan...ill take the guy who plays defense and makes the right passes to the players whos job it is to score like love
Don't confuse steals with being a good/great defender. Allen Iversen had a lot of steals too, but he'd get worked a lot on the defense end too.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:06 pm to Tyrion
When was the last time a team won a finals with their PG as their best player?
Spurs won in 2007 when Parker won finals MVP, but Tim Duncan was still the best player on that team then
Pistons won in 03 with Chauncey winning finals MVP, but I'm not convinced he was necessarily the best player on the team. I think it was Ben Wallace imo
Before that you have to go back to bad boy Pistons era with Isaih to find the last time a truly elite PG won the finals.
Which begs the question, is the pg position the most overrated position in basketball. Many people always say that the pg position is most important. Then why is it that the last time a truly elite superstar pg won it all was 24 years ago.
Spurs won in 2007 when Parker won finals MVP, but Tim Duncan was still the best player on that team then
Pistons won in 03 with Chauncey winning finals MVP, but I'm not convinced he was necessarily the best player on the team. I think it was Ben Wallace imo
Before that you have to go back to bad boy Pistons era with Isaih to find the last time a truly elite PG won the finals.
Which begs the question, is the pg position the most overrated position in basketball. Many people always say that the pg position is most important. Then why is it that the last time a truly elite superstar pg won it all was 24 years ago.
Posted on 5/16/14 at 12:15 pm to QJenk
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Which begs the question, is the pg position the most overrated position in basketball.
Pretty much is given all of the rule changes that favor them. None of the last 6 NBA champions have had an elite PG. Hell none of them have had a guy who was in the top 10-15 for point guards.
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