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re: Why Ben Simmons isn't the top prospect in the 2016 NBA draft
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:18 pm to RonBurgundy
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:18 pm to RonBurgundy
Davis and Towns by the end of their years were more highly regarded. Maybe a healthy Embiid too. But Ben is right there as an elite prospect with the rest. Wiggins probably had the most hype of anyone coming in, he had a more disappointing year from an individual standpoint than Ben.
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Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:26 pm to RonBurgundy
Oden had injury issues, it's fair to not mention him.
Beasley wasn't even the number 1 pick and there were a lot of people calling him a tweener.
AD was being compared to Marcus Camby.
Towns played 20min/game and was much more of an unknown.
Wiggins hype got significantly deflated.
Embid had a lot of hype but was much more raw and had injury issues pre-draft.
Beasley wasn't even the number 1 pick and there were a lot of people calling him a tweener.
AD was being compared to Marcus Camby.
Towns played 20min/game and was much more of an unknown.
Wiggins hype got significantly deflated.
Embid had a lot of hype but was much more raw and had injury issues pre-draft.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:27 pm to Fun Bunch
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The level of hipster-ish doubt on Ben by basketball guys I really respect like RTR is amazing
Well it is March, so RTR is a Kentucky fan right now, and they all have some strange obsession with Simmons.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:29 pm to floridatigah
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Davis and Towns by the end of their years were more highly regarded.
This is revisionist history given the amount of success both have had in the NBA.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:32 pm to Parallax
Get that out of here. If Davis was in this draft he'd be unquestionably 1, Towns too. You're confusing their lack of hype going into the year but Davis was very hyped even if there were questions about his offense before the year.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:32 pm to Parallax
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Oden had injury issues, it's fair to not mention him.
Beasley wasn't even the number 1 pick and there were a lot of people calling him a tweener.
AD was being compared to Marcus Camby.
Towns played 20min/game and was much more of an unknown.
Wiggins hype got significantly deflated.
Embid had a lot of hype but was much more raw and had injury issues pre-draft.
Durant, whom you included also went #2 was famously considered not athletic enough.
Davis was being compared to a lot, his low end was Marcus Camby...but nice try.
Beasley smoked weed and everyone knew it, which is he why fell (character)
The Tape on Towns after going 38-1 in a 10 man rotation was that he was the man-so much so that he eclipsed the presumptive #1 pick Okafor by February.
Wiggins had the hype, like I said, at some point.
Embid was being compared to Hakeem and Duncan before he got injured.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:35 pm to floridatigah
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Davis and Towns by the end of their years were more highly regarded.
Davis quite possibly, Towns no. Towns had a more successful season but he was not at all a runaway for #1 pick.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:37 pm to REG861
What? The Wolves never considered anyone else.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:37 pm to Parallax
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He's the best player. This is the worst case of number 1 pick syndrome I've seen being exacerbated by the current media environment.
ESPN might have built him up to much, but who else has been a better prospect since LeBron and Durant?
Keep in mind there were 'experts' writing the same sort of articles about LeBron as a senior in high school.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:40 pm to floridatigah
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The Wolves never considered anyone else.
This doesn't mean he had more hype, more a product of his draft.
But yeah, he was the clearcut #1; never a doubt.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:41 pm to REG861
hell, lebron was getting articles written about him as he was like playing his first varsity game 
he is/was single handily the most hyped athlete in modern american sport history and still didnt disappoint which is truly the most remarkable thing about him
he is/was single handily the most hyped athlete in modern american sport history and still didnt disappoint which is truly the most remarkable thing about him
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:41 pm to Parallax
I'm sorry but if you think Ben's stock is higher than Towns was at the end of last year then you weren't paying attention. Last years draft was considered better than this years too.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:42 pm to Parallax
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AD was being compared to Marcus Camby.
And many were saying he'd be much better than that. Some were even saying he'd be better than KG.
Davis didn't enter the season with nearly as much hype, but it was well known that whatever franchise got the first pick would be drafting a multiple all-star, potential MVP player. You can't argue that.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:44 pm to REG861
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Davis and Towns by the end of their years were more highly regarded.
This is revisionist history given the amount of success both have had in the NBA.
sorry this is nonsense. it doesn't take away from Simmons, nor am i interested in a pissing contest over who was more "highly regarded" but both Davis and Towns were the #1 overall pick and thought to be such at least most of their 1 and done season.
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Towns no. Towns had a more successful season but he was not at all a runaway for #1 pick.
he wasn't the "runaway" #1 because of Okafor, not because he wasn't regarded as an elite prospect.
For comparison sake, looking at the 247 composite ratings
Davis .9999. Noel .9999 Okafor .9995 Simmons .9998.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:44 pm to JohnnyKilroy
NO ONE was certain AD could be an offensive cornerstone. His defense was his trademark when he was drafted. its fair to say he's exceeded expectations/been on a different timeline.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:46 pm to floridatigah
Towns was on a 38-1 team and his hype trajectory was the reverse of Simmons. I've been arguing Simmons fall in trajectory is unfair due to his team/fabricated by the media.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:51 pm to Parallax
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NO ONE was certain AD could be an offensive cornerstone.
This is just false. Sure, you can argue that no one thought his offensive game would make the leap it did, but to say AD wasn't regarded as an elite talent on both ends is absurd. You don't get compared to KG if you're limited on offense.
His trademark in college was defense because that kentucky team was disgustingly loaded. He was the lowest scoring starter and still put up 14 ppg. Just because he didn't carry the offense for Kentucky didn't mean that he was seen as a player that wouldn't blossom into one of the best two way players in the league.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:51 pm to Parallax
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I've been arguing Simmons fall in trajectory is unfair due to his team/fabricated by the media.
Except this article is written by the same guy who had Simmons at 2 before the season ever started
The reason they have the most accurate mocks every year is not only due to massive amount of scouting they do it is also because they talk to tons of NBA people. You continue to act like all of this is pulled out of thin air.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:51 pm to Parallax
Some of the questions about Ben are real but I agree a lot are narrative nonsense because of the season. Towns didn't have a flaw on offense/defense, Ben does. Towns was super efficient, had a higher PER than Ben.
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:53 pm to floridatigah
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Wiggins probably had the most hype of anyone coming in,
This guy was right there too
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