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re: why are white guys on the browns kneeling during the anthem?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:39 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:39 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:With the Predators making to the SCFs this past season, it brought out alot of new fans. With the racial turmoil going on in the country right now and hockey being a primarily white sport, I honestly think that hockey is in prime position to gain the fans that have left football and basketball that still want sports entertainment. jmo
I'm thinking basketball or soccer (maybe both). Just due to global influence.
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:45 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:This is such bullshite lester. Tbird doesnt have brothers and sister fighting for this cause. Why do all black people have to have the same opinion? It is unreal that white libs honestly try to brainwash black people into group think. It is actually very racist
If you're apathetic about the things your brothers & sisters are fighting for, then fine
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:45 am to Lester Earl
Lester you sound like deep down you really don't like non black peeps....
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:50 am to dabigfella
For example lester, I am far more tbirds "brother" than Lynch ever will be.
Me and tbird were both raised with married parents in a middle class family. We are now both married with a child to our wife.
But because lynch shares skin tone, tbird is supposed to have more in common with him and share the same opinion as a "brother"?
It is such a cop out
Me and tbird were both raised with married parents in a middle class family. We are now both married with a child to our wife.
But because lynch shares skin tone, tbird is supposed to have more in common with him and share the same opinion as a "brother"?
It is such a cop out
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:50 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:52 am to Lester Earl
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And yet you somehow leave out equality. From the guy who is sitting with a full belly up on the hill because his uncle handed him down everything. Must be nice, huh biggy? You haven't had to scrap for anything in your life
This has very little to do with "oppression" and "privilege".
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:54 am to SabiDojo
and he forgets my parents came from a warn torn nation like ukraine as immigrants and still did just fine here without complaining about oppression and their lack of opportunities.....
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:55 am to Lester Earl
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Dude I don't care if you take my side.
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It's the manner that you do it. You didn't give me your opinion or explain where you're coming from.
I've posted it countless times on this board in the umpteen threads we've had in the subject. Hell, I posted about it earlier itt.
But again, just for you: where I'm coming from is I believe both Kaepernick's method of protest and cause he's championing are misguided. I don't appreciate disrespect for the flag/anthem from anyone, white, black or otherwise. I respect his right to protest peacefully, but that doesn't mean I agree with it or have to condone it.
My apathy comes from both knowing he's off base and my own love of football. What Kaep does or doesn't do, or whether he plays or doesn't play, isn't going to affect my viewership at all.
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What did you do? You jumped in and simply gloated that you are apathetic so all your white buddies knew. What the frick is respectable about that? Nothing. Because it's your MO.
My "white buddies"? Are you listening to yourself? Y'all are mostly words on a screen to me--i don't know the ethnicity of most of the folks on here, nor do I care. Yeah, it's majority white--big whoop, so is most of America. I don't give a shite. Does that mean that every matter on which you agree with a white person signify you "gloating" to them? No, of course not--that doesn't even make fricking sense.
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respectable about that? Nothing. Because it's your MO. You're programmed to cater to your white wife, her white in laws, her white friends. That's fine and I understand.
Hold up....now my opinions are what they are because of my WIFE'S race? frick outta here--this is exactly that lazy, presumptive bullshite that I'm talking about when it comes to people like you. It's literally your M.O. I have always been consistent in my beliefs since well before I met my wife or her family/friends. Also, we have friends of all races/walks of life. I never form my opinions based on what anyone else is going to think. That's ceding control of my own reasoning, and I'm loathe to give anyone else control over such.
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don't sit here and act like you stated some opinion that needs to be respected.
You can respect what you wish. That's your prerogative. But don't think I'm just going to sit here and take this kind of lazy, racist, bullshite premise for disagreement from you or anyone else without refuting it vehemently and repeatedly.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 9:57 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:56 am to lsupride87
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Why do all black people have to have the same opinion?
They don't & I never said that.
The guy has become a caricature with the way he exploits his views, in which he plays into it for acceptance & attention. It's hard to take seriously.
On another note, if oppression & equality does not apply to you as a black man, you are indeed in the minority & should consider yourself lucky.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:57 am to Lester Earl
quote:You sure as hell insinuated it with this bullshite line
They don't & I never said that.
"Fine, go against your BROTHERS AND SISTERS"
That is absolutely you trying to shame him for going against black people simply because he is black
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:58 am to Lester Earl
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But don't sit here and act like you stated some opinion that needs to be respected.
Pretty easy to find the opinions not worth respect in this thread.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 9:58 am to Lester Earl
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You're programmed to cater to your white wife, her white in laws, her white friends.
This guy is trolling, right?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:01 am to MontyFranklyn
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With the racial turmoil going on in the country right now and hockey being a primarily white sport, I honestly think that hockey is in prime position to gain the fans that have left football and basketball that still want sports entertainment. jmo
Ehh, I feel like the regional emphasis and higher cost of hockey is still a bigger impediment.
The preds' success brought out the excitement within their community for obvious reasons. Sustaining that when their run ends will be the tell. Folks simply won't gravitate to it as heavily because they don't grow up with it in the warmer climes.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:03 am to lsupride87
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That is absolutely you trying to shame him for going against black people simply because he is black
My point is, downplaying it because you dont think the same way is insulting for the majority of black men & women
I never said "fine go against your fellow blacks". His word was apathetic. That is the word I used. Look it up.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:05 am to Lester Earl
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The guy has become a caricature with the way he exploits his views, in which he plays into it for acceptance & attention. It's hard to take seriously.
So explain why I get into scraps with some of the same posters when the conversation turns to, say, the issue of confederate flags/monuments? By your logic, am I just playing into acceptance from non-white posters in those discussions?
Look, I'm not saying you have to agree with me. Hardly anyone ever changes their mind in an anonymous internet debate. But when your main impetus for invalidating someone else's opinion is their race, the race of their audience, or the race of their fricking family (still can't believe you went there
), then you have to face the fact that that's an intellectually untenable position.Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:06 am to Lester Earl
Lester Early you dont at all get what im saying. Black people, the ones protesting, not the hard working ones, they're out here shouting from the rooftops that the deck is stacked against them, they cant get good jobs, cops treat them unfairly, etc etc. What im saying is
1) yes cops will treat the majority unfairly when your people make up 50% of the violent offender population in prison, thats called profiling and sorry but it will happen. Im sure it will now happen to good christians from the middle east as well bc of the nonsense a few bad muslims are pulling
2) The deck is not stacked against anyone in the US, not sure if you patronize non african american businesses, but all businesses hire people of all backgrounds and skin colors, I know I have quite a few ethnicities that work for me
so in closing, all ive said from the beginning is if you're oppressed and in the United States, you need to wake up and look around you. Immigrants literally die trying to come here for the life you're complaining about. Go ask the cubans that die in rafts trying to get that life or the mexicans who die trying to cross our border in brutal conditions. If american blacks feel so oppressed, they need to look around and realize its on them and their people for the way they're treated currently and the only way to change that perception is to work together and fix their community. People dont have the same perceptions of other dark people like indian americans, so its not a skin color thing, its a your culture thing, no offense bc Im sure you're a good guy.
In the United States, anyone can work as hard as they want and go wherever they want. The people protesting how they're being held back are idiots in my book, nothing holds anyone back here we have women CEO's, we have minorities who have reached the highest of highs ie President of the freaking country. Anything is possible here with a little effort.....those complaining aren't really putting in much effort.
1) yes cops will treat the majority unfairly when your people make up 50% of the violent offender population in prison, thats called profiling and sorry but it will happen. Im sure it will now happen to good christians from the middle east as well bc of the nonsense a few bad muslims are pulling
2) The deck is not stacked against anyone in the US, not sure if you patronize non african american businesses, but all businesses hire people of all backgrounds and skin colors, I know I have quite a few ethnicities that work for me
so in closing, all ive said from the beginning is if you're oppressed and in the United States, you need to wake up and look around you. Immigrants literally die trying to come here for the life you're complaining about. Go ask the cubans that die in rafts trying to get that life or the mexicans who die trying to cross our border in brutal conditions. If american blacks feel so oppressed, they need to look around and realize its on them and their people for the way they're treated currently and the only way to change that perception is to work together and fix their community. People dont have the same perceptions of other dark people like indian americans, so its not a skin color thing, its a your culture thing, no offense bc Im sure you're a good guy.
In the United States, anyone can work as hard as they want and go wherever they want. The people protesting how they're being held back are idiots in my book, nothing holds anyone back here we have women CEO's, we have minorities who have reached the highest of highs ie President of the freaking country. Anything is possible here with a little effort.....those complaining aren't really putting in much effort.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:08 am to SabiDojo
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This has very little to do with "oppression" and "privilege".
I want to address your post but I'm not sure you understood my response to him.
He made a long post about oppression & making opportunities for yourself but not once mentioned equality or systemic racism.
My counter point is that while his parents were immigrants, the man has never worked for anything in his life. He has been granted many privileges and fighting to make his own opportunity is something he knows nothing about.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:10 am to MontyFranklyn
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TBird is just a really, really conservative guy that will take the conservative viewpoint on most issues.
Yeah, conservative/libertarian is where most of my views lie. My parents are the same as I am. That's where it comes from.
There's nuance there, of course, though. I despise confederate apologists, and when it comes to issues like sexual orientation/marriage, I'm actually quite liberal. No one is all one thing or another. The one thing I do endeavor to do is make up my own mind about issues, rather than filtering it through whatever narrative x group is pushing.
That way I don't compromise my beliefs for anyone.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:11 am to Lester Earl
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On another note, if oppression & equality does not apply to you as a black man, you are indeed in the minority & should consider yourself lucky.
Definitions and parameters of "equality" and "oppression" would be helpful in getting your point across.
If there is oppression, there has to be an oppressor. Is it capitalism? Is it the government? Is it white people? If it's any of those things, what specifically makes them the oppressors?
Equality, equality of opportunity or equality of result? Those are two different things.
No one is going to say black people aren't disadvantaged, but people tend to conflate discriminatory impact with discriminatory by design.
What I don't like about people using generational wealth as proof of privilege is because to do so you have to consider capitalism as racist and a tool of white supremacy, which unfortunately is what certain groups are arguing.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:14 am to SabiDojo
Sabi I love you, but black are not disadvantaged, im sorry, the only people who say that are black people. Black people can go to college, black people can get jobs, black people can even be president of the United States. Lester Earl acts like they're at a disadvantage somehow. The only disadvantage is their family units are horrible, too many single mom households but black people are born blank slates like the rest of the world. They can do anything they want, skin color isn't a barrier to entry in this world. We had this talk on the poli board, indian americans are also dark and have the highest income per household in the Us at over $107k while african americans are at $36k. Skin color is not the problem with african americans, they are not at any disadvantage.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:19 am to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Like most people, you are a moderate, but you lean right on most social issues. I'm a moderate that leans left on social issues.
Yeah, conservative/libertarian is where most of my views lie. My parents are the same as I am. That's where it comes from.
There's nuance there, of course, though. I despise confederate apologists, and when it comes to issues like sexual orientation/marriage, I'm actually quite liberal. No one is all one thing or another. The one thing I do endeavor to do is make up my own mind about issues, rather than filtering it through whatever narrative x group is pushing.
That way I don't compromise my beliefs for anyone.
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