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re: why are white guys on the browns kneeling during the anthem?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:20 am to dabigfella
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:20 am to dabigfella
I only meant that upward social mobility is harder for them, but it can be done.
The problem is they consider their harder path something created by current circumstances, which I don't think is true.
Everyone knows black people got a raw deal when they came to America, and when the laws discriminated against them and dehumanized them it really was a terrible thing, monstrous even.
But the laws no longer do so. Their problems arise out of culture and a destructive spiritual malaise.
But that doesn't mean America is off the hook. They helped create that culture. We have to work together to correct it, but America can't do it for black people. They have to consent to it and embrace it.
The problem is they consider their harder path something created by current circumstances, which I don't think is true.
Everyone knows black people got a raw deal when they came to America, and when the laws discriminated against them and dehumanized them it really was a terrible thing, monstrous even.
But the laws no longer do so. Their problems arise out of culture and a destructive spiritual malaise.
But that doesn't mean America is off the hook. They helped create that culture. We have to work together to correct it, but America can't do it for black people. They have to consent to it and embrace it.
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Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:23 am to SabiDojo
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Everyone knows black people got a raw deal when they came to America, and when the laws discriminated against them and dehumanized them it really was a terrible thing, monstrous even.
Fair enough but its like someone on the poli board said the other day, there were just as many chinese slaves here working on the railroads and you never hear about it bc they dont live for the past which is what I think alot of african americans want to do to compensate for their lack of success. You never even hear chinese people talk about those times today......
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:25 am to dabigfella
Losers gonna be losers
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:27 am to dabigfella
quote:But socially we are. The deck is stacked somewhat equally now, but whites have had a head start of over 400 years in building wealth and control. You point out how your family came from a war torn country and still made it, but fail to note that them sharing the same skin color as the majority of this country contributed to that. Blacks had to fight for everything that has been accomplished. All the Asians, western and eastern, Africans and other people of colored have benefited from the fight for civil liberties that blacks fought for. While they stayed on the sidelines, blacks were being killed, but now they benefit from it more than blacks actually do. Kind of ironic.
Sabi I love you, but black are not disadvantaged, im sorry, the only people who say that are black people.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:30 am to MontyFranklyn
ok so monty you bring up skin color, how are indian americans the highest earning group in america? What is their excuse?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:32 am to MontyFranklyn
Statistically, very few people build wealth that lasts longer than the second generation.
As for control, white people are the majority (60+% of the population), so yes they do make lots of laws, but that doesn't mean they "control" anything today to the detriment of black people.
As for control, white people are the majority (60+% of the population), so yes they do make lots of laws, but that doesn't mean they "control" anything today to the detriment of black people.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:36 am to dabigfella
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hey can do anything they want, skin color isn't a barrier to entry in this world.
Lol. You watch too many feel good movies.
Easy for you to say. You were born into wealth. Imagine being born into a poor single mother household in which you weren't planned for to begin with. You're saving grace is school. But then you're placed into the Nola public school system. It's the worst in the country, you have no direction from your mom, no legit college guidance. She didn't go to college or even finish HS. The pressures of the street are there because that is the quickest & easiest way to get a buck. Your formative years are developed with zero direction. It is indeed systemic & is repeating over & over again.
I speak to a good kid that I run into at my job frequently. He's working two jobs and wants to go to college but he can't afford it. He has no credit, he can't borrow money. He doesn't have any scholarship availabilities. He has to go to the fricking library to fill out job applications because he doesn't have the internet. Could you even imagine that? You were born into money and you didn't even have to pick your career path, much less fight for opportunity or fight out of poverty or fight off oppression. So sit down and stfu
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:37 am to SabiDojo
I cant take monty seriously when he says skin color is a major thing holding blacks back yet indian americans who for the most part are not white, although many are light skinned, but none are blue eye, blond hair types.....those guys are the highest earning group in america....that basically was the end of that argument. What's worse is these also dark indian americans are literally at 3x the income of the blacks at $107k vs $36k....I can't speculate on why that is, but I know skin color is not why.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:39 am to Lester Earl
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Easy for you to say. You were born into wealth.
Oh shure
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:40 am to Lester Earl
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You were born into money and you didn't even have to pick your career path, much less fight for opportunity or fight out of poverty or fight off oppression. So sit down and stfu
Actually I did, I got an MBA at LSU and worked in banking, sorry my uncle died and had no children. I never once thought I was gonna be in the industry Im in, that wasn't my lifelong goal from childhood. You're again missing the point, plenty of immigrants come to this country and make it. It has nothing to do with starting out poor, it has more to do with lack of brainpower and how to utilize time and resources.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:43 am to Lester Earl
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So sit down and stfu
This is how you really get your point across and change minds
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:44 am to Lester Earl
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Imagine being born into a poor single mother household in which you weren't planned for to begin with.
Describes my father's birth/upbringing to a tee. Just swap NOLA for Bryan/College Station. He was the only one in his family to make it out of the ghetto and poverty because he was able to resist the allure of the street. Made his mom a promise that one day he'd graduate from the university where she was a custodian.
This post was edited on 8/22/17 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:48 am to dabigfella
They were praying for the healing of America.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
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. He was the only one in his family to make it out of the ghetto and poverty because he was able to resist the allure of the street.
That truly is awesome and I'm not fricking with you
Now would you say he was born at a disadvantage?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:52 am to Lester Earl
so whose fault is it again that so many african americans grow up in single parent households? Just trying to see who I should be mad at
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:52 am to dabigfella
quote:Did you even read what I wrote? I covered that. Indians are western Asians
ok so monty you bring up skin color, how are indian americans the highest earning group in america? What is their excuse?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:52 am to dabigfella
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Actually I did, I got an MBA at LSU and worked in banking,
That's great, and would you say your parents helped direct your path? Did your schooling have an impact? Teachers? Uncle? Were you at least brought up middle class?
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:53 am to SabiDojo
quote:As I noted when saying that the deck is pretty much even. Honestly, do you all even read?
Statistically, very few people build wealth that lasts longer than the second generation.
As for control, white people are the majority (60+% of the population), so yes they do make lots of laws, but that doesn't mean they "control" anything today to the detriment of black people.
And than can control upward mobility in the private sector through nepotism, but that isn't exclusive to them. Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:54 am to MontyFranklyn
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All the Asians, western and eastern, Africans and other people of colored have benefited from the fight for civil liberties that blacks fought for. While they stayed on the sidelines, blacks were being killed, but now they benefit from it more than blacks actually do. Kind of ironic.
ok so indians,arabs,etc are all thriving bc of the fight blacks puts up 60 years ago. I wont disagree with you there, but why are they benefitting today without the barriers blacks still seem to have? At what point do we say its bc they're more educated, they work harder, and have better family units and when we do accept those realities, we can throw skin color out of the equation bc those people are not white.
Posted on 8/22/17 at 10:55 am to dabigfella
You said you have black employees? Why don't you go talk to them and hear there stories. I'm sure their life goals weren't to end up working at a gas station.
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