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Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:45 am to slackster
quote:Eh. All NBA 1st team and 2nd team in the 2nd and 3rd year of the 3 peat.
To be fair, Kobe wasn't a top 5 player during the 3 peat either. His rise into that stratosphere coincided with the decline of Shaq and no more championships.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:46 am to shel311
quote:
But I think they have #3 on lock. The reigning back to back MVP...and he's not even the best player on his team. That's pretty crazy.
Ehh, few top duos have to shoulder less of the load than KD and Steph. They're difficult to rank due to their surrounding cast. 7 Warriors who played meaningful playoff minutes have a PER over 16.2
Kobe and Shaq never had any, and Michael and Pippen usually only had 1 (Horace Grant, then Kukoc)
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:47 am to slackster
quote:he wasn't in 2000 but he was all nba in both 2001 and 2002 and one of those was a first team
Kobe wasn't a top 5 player during the 3 peat either.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:48 am to slackster
quote:They certainly have the best 3rd/4th players ever, but they're still shouldering the load just here in these Finals.
Ehh, few top duos have to shoulder less of the load than KD and Steph. They're difficult to rank due to their surrounding cast. 7 Warriors who played meaningful playoff minutes have a PER over 16.2
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:49 am to Weagle25
I always thought Nash and Stoudemire were gonna be unstoppable *sigh*
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:52 am to AU_251
and nobody in this entire thread has mentioned this duo?
They are probably #1
They are probably #1
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:53 am to AU_251
quote:6th post
and nobody in this entire thread has mentioned this duo?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:54 am to Weagle25
quote:
To be fair, Kobe wasn't a top 5 player during the 3 peat either.
Wat?
From 1999-2002:
Never in the Top 5 in PER, Win Shares, WS/48, Offensive Win Shares, VORP, BPM,
12th in MVP voting in 99-00, 9th in 00-01, and 5th in 01-02.
I won't make an argument about Kobe's reign in the Top 5 from 2002-2013ish, but he wasn't there yet during the 3-peat.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:56 am to AU_251
I mentioned them first. See first page.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:57 am to Weagle25
AD/DC
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:59 am to WestCoastAg
quote:
he wasn't in 2000 but he was all nba in both 2001 and 2002 and one of those was a first team
It's not really an insult to Kobe that he was just on the fringe at that time. People knew he was coming, but he wasn't quite there yet IMO.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:59 am to Weagle25
Think of it this way:
Kobe and Shaq went to 4 finals together and won 3
Kobe went to 3 without Shaq and won 2
Shaq went to 2 without Kobe and won 1
That's a total of 9 finals and 6 championships.
Imagine if Kobe-Shaq had PJ for their entire primes+ and then it's easier to see how dominant they were and COULD have been.
Kobe and Shaq went to 4 finals together and won 3
Kobe went to 3 without Shaq and won 2
Shaq went to 2 without Kobe and won 1
That's a total of 9 finals and 6 championships.
Imagine if Kobe-Shaq had PJ for their entire primes+ and then it's easier to see how dominant they were and COULD have been.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:00 pm to PhiTiger1764
quote:
Kobe/Shaq. Two top 5 players of all time.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:00 pm to slackster
quote:
From 1999-2002: Never in the Top 5 in PER, Win Shares, WS/48, Offensive Win Shares, VORP, BPM, 12th in MVP voting in 99-00, 9th in 00-01, and 5th in 01-02.
So that's a 3 year average of 8.6 in MVP voting. Is there 5 players who had a better MVP voting average over those 3 years? Same with the other stats?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:00 pm to slackster
Kobe absolutely CRUSHED the western conference playoffs from 2001-2004.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:01 pm to slackster
quote:
Yea such an outlandish opinion that Kobe is top 5. Anyone with a semblance of a brain has him in their top 10. Top 5 is arguable.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:05 pm to PhiTiger1764
He's 10 or higher in a lot of rankings, fwiw. None in the top 5.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:10 pm to Weagle25
Guggliotta-Marbury
Posted on 6/6/17 at 12:11 pm to slackster
I didn't think it was an insult
I was taking a similar position to yours about LeBron not being a top 5 player when he took the Cavs to the finals in 07 on here last year and I didn't mean that as an insult
I was taking a similar position to yours about LeBron not being a top 5 player when he took the Cavs to the finals in 07 on here last year and I didn't mean that as an insult
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 12:13 pm
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