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re: Who is the best catcher in beisbol history?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:09 pm to dukke v
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:09 pm to dukke v
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Yet they only won two titles all those years. Kind weird.
Baseball gods are cruel. You could be the GOAT team ever assembled and an opposing pitching staff on a hot streak could dash your postseason in the first round.
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Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:26 pm to Tornado Alley
Yogi. Hands down. Just look at his stats and the way contemporaries talked about him. Clutch guy, played 140+ games per season, rarely struck out, team player.
Casey Stengel on Yogi " I never play a game without my man"
Ivan is the greatest defensive catcher
Roy Campanella would have been the best ever..probably.
Casey Stengel on Yogi " I never play a game without my man"
Ivan is the greatest defensive catcher
Roy Campanella would have been the best ever..probably.
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:29 pm to KirkLazarus
quote:posey
Ivan is the greatest defensive catcher
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:31 pm to Tornado Alley
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beisbol
For baseball, Johnny Bench, and it's not close.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:35 pm to Tornado Alley
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:47 pm to WestCoastAg
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Ivan is the greatest defensive catcher
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posey
If you play 15% of your innings at first base I don't think you should be in the running for best defensive catcher ever.
Ivan caught far more people trying to steal in relation to his peers and all time.
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:50 pm to KirkLazarus
and posey is probably the single greatest framer of all time which is probably more valuable
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:52 pm to WestCoastAg
Doesn't refute how much time he spent at first base. It's a different game nowadays.
ETA: By the way, I agree on the importance of pitch framing
ETA: By the way, I agree on the importance of pitch framing
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:54 pm to KirkLazarus
and i have no idea how someones defensive versatility could actually harm them in this discussion 
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:58 pm to WestCoastAg
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Who is the best catcher in beisbol history?
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and i have no idea how someones defensive versatility could actually harm them in this discussion
Because we are strictly talking about catching.
Playing as many games at catcher per year as Pudge did will negatively affect you over the course of a season. Durability and how much a season wears you down is an issue here. Its a different game today. They probably would have protected Pudge much more had they known what the stats show.
ETA: Buster Posey started 120 games at catcher 1 season, lets call it 2 with one where he had 119. Pudge started 120 games at catcher...11 times.
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:58 pm to WestCoastAg
Pudge/Bench/Berra—-no particular order. That is the list from an all around standpoint. Great leaders, hitters and defensive.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:59 pm to KirkLazarus
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Casey Stengel on Yogi " I never play a game without my man"
Sparky Anderson on Bench "I don't want to embarrass any other catcher by comparing him to Johnny Bench."
Posted on 3/15/20 at 2:02 pm to TigerintheNO
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Sparky Anderson on Bench "I don't want to embarrass any other catcher by comparing him to Johnny Bench."
And the guy the media was comparing to Bench was AL MVP Thurman Munson.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 2:30 pm to KirkLazarus
Let us not forget that Yogi played LF for a number of seasons.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 2:35 pm to KirkLazarus
I guess I just dont really care about that and, if anything, it shows how much more athletic he is
Posted on 3/15/20 at 2:42 pm to WestCoastAg
If he had any titles, the answer would be Mauer.
The man has *half* of all batting titles ever won by a catcher, and 3 of the only 4 won outside of a wartime or deadball era.
The man has *half* of all batting titles ever won by a catcher, and 3 of the only 4 won outside of a wartime or deadball era.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 2:51 pm to Dr RC
So true.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 3:41 pm to blake the kid
Yogi Berra no doubt.
Prime only its unclear between: Berra, Pudge Rodriguez, Joe Mauer, Johnny Bench and Roy Campanella.
Prime only its unclear between: Berra, Pudge Rodriguez, Joe Mauer, Johnny Bench and Roy Campanella.
This post was edited on 3/15/20 at 3:45 pm
Posted on 3/15/20 at 3:48 pm to WestCoastAg
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how only one person has suggested buster posey is beyond me. here are the WAR7s for every name that was seriously suggested in this thread (minus gibson who we, unfortunately, cant compare to the others)
boster posey - 46.8
johnny bench and carter - 46.2
piazza - 46.1
berra - 40
yadi - 39.5
pudge - 39.4
mauer - 37.1
poseys 2012 was also the best individual season out of all of them
WAR is a terrible stat to judge catchers
Posted on 3/15/20 at 3:55 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Both fangraphs and baseball references WAR arent great when comparing catchers to other, non catcher, players. But unless I missed something, it's an ok tool to use when comparing catchers amongst themselves
WARP attempts to correct the issue, but I just didnt feel like going to baseball prospectus and start digging through their stuff
WARP attempts to correct the issue, but I just didnt feel like going to baseball prospectus and start digging through their stuff
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