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re: Which 1990s-2000s Atlanta Braves team was the best?

Posted on 9/7/18 at 11:19 pm to
Posted by mountaintop
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Posted on 9/7/18 at 11:19 pm to
They should have won in 1997

Imagine Glavine, Smoltz and Maddux with 2 titles in '97....
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 4:15 am to
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f it wasn't for the World Series title in '95


Sure but there were 3 other series they likely should have won. You play out the 90s a 100 times and I bet very few end up with braves not having multiple titles.
Posted by JaySWLA
Sulphur, LA
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:15 pm to
As a braves fan, idk man. We had little depth and the bullpen was average (guys like Bielecki and Wade). Definitely a top five in history starting pitching rotation. The Indians had a stacked lineup and had beaten two other stacked teams (Yankees and Orioles) to get there.
Posted by JaySWLA
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Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:16 pm to
Maddux owned the Yankees, granted only played them five times in his career lol. In game 6, the braves lost 3-2 but gave up all 3 runs in one inning due to errors mainly. Maddux had bad luck with that.
Posted by JaySWLA
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Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:20 pm to
That Phillies squad was overall better, now starting pitching would have favored the braves of course lol. But the Phillies had the better offense, better bench, and bullpen (they had wild thing but we had mcmichael lol). Facing Curt Schilling twice, definitely not an upset. Danny Jackson also had a great year that year. People forget they didn't care their last ten games or so, their division was meh and they clinched earlier I believe. Could have had 100-102 wins themselves.
Posted by Metaloctopus
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:21 pm to
'98... Even though they didn't even reach the World Series. If postseason success is the main barometer, then it would obviously be '95.
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:31 pm to
This is such a random bump
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted by OU Guy
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 1:46 pm to
This was not their best team and I was a Twins fan at the time but rarely follow baseball now other than box scores.

But its memorable to me because I was deployed onboard USS Forrestal CV-59 with F-14 squadron. And back then the games were radiocast late at night die to time difference. I can only recall how great the play by play was without TV. It felt like you were there, perfect amount of crowd noise and announcing. The WS spanned port calls at Antalya, Turkey and Souda Bay, Crete, with sea time in between

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It was almost certainly the most unlikely World Series matchup ever, as the Twins and Braves became the first two teams in Major League Baseball history to go from last to first in the space of one season.

This being an "odd year," Minnesota would be home team for the Series. In Game 1, the Twins cruised behind veteran right-hander Jack Morris, 5-2. The key hit was Greg Gagne's three-run homer off Charlie Leibrandt in the fifth inning. Game 2 was closer, but again the Twins prevailed. Minnesota DH Chili Davis blasted a two-run homer in the bottom of the first, and then third baseman Scott Leius broke a 2-2 deadlock with a solo shot in the eighth. That's how it ended, with Rick Aguilera gaining his second save in as many nights.

The Series shifted to Atlanta for Game 3, and the Braves led 4-1 after six frames. But the Twins battled back, and tied the game in the eighth on another two-run homer off the bat of Chili Davis. The score remained 4-4 until the bottom of the 12th when, with two outs, Braves second baseman Mark Lemke singled home David Justice with the winning run.

Atlanta evened the Series with yet another dramatic victory, 3-2, in Game 4. In the bottom of the ninth, with runners at first and third, pinch-hitter Jerry Willard's sacrifice fly (barely) scored Lemke with the decisive run.

And Game 5 was no contest. The first three innings were scoreless, but then the Braves hammered five Minnesota pitchers for 14 runs, on their way to a 14-5 triumph and a 3-2 edge in the Series.

Game 6 was reminiscent of another Game 6, 16 years earlier. With the score tied 3-3, Twins superstar Kirby Puckett led off the bottom of the 11th inning and walloped Charlie Leibrandt's fourth pitch over the left-field fence to extend the Series to seven games. The following game is widely considered to be one of the greatest Game 7s ever. After nine innings, neither team had scored, though the Braves just missed scoring in the eighth when Lonnie Smith wasn't able to score from first base on Terry Pendleton's long double. In the bottom of the 10th, Dan Gladden led off with a double and went to third on a sacrifice bunt. After a pair of intentional walks, pinch-hitter Gene Larkin drove a ball over a drawn-in outfield, and the Twins were World Champs.

Jack Morris, with yet another clutch postseason performance, pitched all 10 innings to earn the victory. And the Twins became just the second team to win the World Series by winning four Series games at home. The first team to do it? These same Twins, just four years earlier.

Path to the World Series
ALCS: Minnesota over Toronto (4 games to 1)
NLCS: Atlanta over Pittsburgh (4 games to 3)

Managers: Tom Kelly, MIN; Bobby Cox, ATL

MVP: Jack Morris, MIN: 2-0, 1.17 ERA, 23 IP, 15 K
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 2:07 pm to
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Are you sure not '97?

Glavine would have destroyed that Indians lineup.



'98 Braves offense was a lot better.

1998 Braves- 107 OPS+, 108 wRC+, 826 runs scored, 4 players with 30+ HRs, 3 players with 100+ RBIs

1997 Braves- 99 OPS+, 101 wRC+, 791 runs scored, 0 players with 30+ HRs, 1 player with 100+ RBIs

Also, the 1998 Braves had a run differential of +245 compared to the '97 Braves run differential of +210.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 2:12 pm to
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This is such a random bump


Wow... talk about. I hadn't even realized it was a bump until you said that. I just looked and saw it's a 6 year old thread. Now I feel weird for replying in it
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8894 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:36 pm to
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losing to the fricking Padres may be the worst of them all


The Padres were a buzz saw that year. They caught lightning in a bottle. Kevin Brown was damn near unhittable.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
8894 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:41 pm to
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That Phillies squad was overall better


The Braves were better. They just had nothing left in the tank after that epic chasing down of the Giants in the second half.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:47 pm to
frick Walt Weiss


Junction Jack or Death
Posted by JaySWLA
Sulphur, LA
Member since Jun 2018
106 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:51 pm to
Phillies had the NL's number one offense, also better bench and bullpen man. They won 97 games but would have won more if they tried at the very end. Braves had to rely on guys like Pecota on the bench, terrible. No depth.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 3:54 pm to
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Don't know which Braves team was the best but '96 was their most baffling postseason loss. How is it possible for a team to have a +39 run differential in the playoffs and not even win the World Series?


1960 Yankees would have done it if there were 3 rounds of playoffs back then.
Posted by BeachDude022
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:00 pm to
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Yea, you win some and lose some
It ain't always home runs
And that's just the way life plays
If we were a team and love was a game
We'd been the '98 Braves


Someone had to say it
This post was edited on 6/28/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
36476 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 4:57 pm to
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it wasn't for the World Series title in '95, the run the Atlanta Braves went on throughout the 90s and into the early-00s might be the biggest choke job in the history of professional sports. So many great teams, many of them with three future Hall of Famers in the bullpen, yet only one world title to show for it.




The question is who are the bigger chokers.

90s braves or 2010-present dodgers



I say dodgers
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
5082 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 5:33 pm to

I will toss out the 2003 team just because they haven't been mentioned.

That was a potent offense for a franchise that had established itself with dominant starting pitching and small ball. Ranked first in most offensive categories. Peak Chipper practically got lost in the fire that Furcal and Giles did as table setters and Andruw, Sheffield and Javy Lopez did as cleanup hitters.

But the rotation was soft and the bullpen was garbage outside of Smoltz as the closer, who was dominant.
Posted by ChestRockwell
In the heart of horse country
Member since Jul 2021
7055 posts
Posted on 6/28/24 at 8:32 pm to
All those good teams and 1 ring. Choked in the NLCS.
Posted by Ccssp1
Member since Mar 2024
80 posts
Posted on 6/29/24 at 2:45 am to
I don’t know if it was Bobby Cox or just the mix of players but the Braves never seemed fired up for the playoffs/World Series. The announcers would always praise the Braves for being businesslike and not getting too up/down during the season. It was always frustrating watching them seemingly sleepwalk through some of those playoff games while the other team seemed to be playing like madmen. Business -like may work in the regular season but you sure as hell need to get your arse fired up for the postseason
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