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re: Where does Kawhi rank amongst all-time great SFs?

Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:15 pm to
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He is a special talent, but not a leader. Just a hired gun, looking to make money and play when he wants. He sat out a year with an injury nobody can really describe that mysteriously flares up when he wants a few days off. The projection is he misses 15-20 games a year minus any additional injuries just for load management for the rest of his career.


agree. his refusal to play as much as his contemporaries is really strange. it sets a bad precedent and almost makes me root against him.
Posted by David Ricky
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:39 pm to
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Where does he rank amongst the likes of LBJ, Bird, Durant, Pippen, Dr. J, etc?



Career points:
Lebron - 33,817 (3rd all time)
Erving - 30,025 (8th all time)
Durant - 22,940 (36th all time)
Bird - 21,791 (39th all time)
Pippen - 18,940 (64th all time)
Kawhi - 9,391 (406th all time)
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:40 pm to
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 you're weighing Dr. J's aba accomplishments he should be ahead as well. Multiple time mvp and playoffs mvp along with being a champion


defeated artis gilmores louisville in aba finals too.
bravura performance.
was hitting from deep corner with game on the line.
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:47 pm to
How many players get traded to Toronto as punishment and win a title
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:49 pm to
tor was a stacked roster up against as hampered an opponent as we have ever seen in the finals. Let us not forget that tor had a better record last year in games kawhi sat out than in the games he played. Oh and they are on pace to have an even better record this season and didn’t really add anyone to the squad and also lost dan green along w kawhi.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:51 pm to
Kawhi will not get past #4 or #5, but if he wins a 3rd title with a 3rd team and becomes 3 time Finals MVP then he is above KD. KD needs to win another title without 3 all stars starting next to him.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10449 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:52 pm to
Basketball reference uses comparisons based off win shares. LeBron has 14 seasons of 10+ win shares. Kawhi has 1.

Kawhi's player comparisons are Jimmy Butler and Anthony Davis.

He's in a tier with guys like Pippen, which is not bad. It's no insult to be pushing top 25 all time or so. He's not LeBron, Durant or Bird, though.
Posted by dj30_old
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:58 pm to
Need more time to judge Kawhi. Kawhi offensive game is a totally different animal now. He wasnt a good offensive player at all early in his career and hes lethal on that end now.
Posted by dj30_old
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 2/17/20 at 12:59 pm to
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He's not LeBron, Durant or Bird, though.


Hes as good as all of these guys now. Issue is, this didnt start until last year. He was nowhere close to these guys before then.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10449 posts
Posted on 2/17/20 at 1:06 pm to
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Hes as good as all of these guys now. Issue is, this didnt start until last year. He was nowhere close to these guys before then.


That's the thing. If you're ranking all timers, Kawhi has maybe 4 seasons at this point that are historically great.

Guys like Durant and LeBron had 7-8 seasons comparable to Kawhi's best at the same age. At the height of his ability, Kawhi has been as good as the greats, but resume wise, he hasn't done it nearly as consistently at the same age.
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