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re: What's wrong with the cavs?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:11 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:11 am to Boomshockalocka
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Lebron quit on CLE bc he knew he couldn't win a title there. When talking about the greatest EVER that has to be held against him.
That's fine. I just think if you want to "hold that against him" you have to factor in that the Cavs went from best record in NBA to worst, with only the loss of Lebron. While the Bulls won 55 games and lost in 7 games in the East semis without MJ.
Kind of unfair to hold it against Lebron without the above context that shows the two weren't nearly in the same type of team/roster situations.
Of course, you already knew that.
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:17 am to Tigerfan56
Everybody likes to forget that Pippen is one of the greatest of all time. Probably top 20
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:19 am to Tigerfan56
Nice narrative you got going there.
Antawn Jamison was a 21/9 kinda guy who was on lebrons last team in CLE then he got hurt the next year. And they hired Byron Scott.
And the east was trash back then those bulls teams with no Jordan had no shot at a title.
Antawn Jamison was a 21/9 kinda guy who was on lebrons last team in CLE then he got hurt the next year. And they hired Byron Scott.
And the east was trash back then those bulls teams with no Jordan had no shot at a title.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:19 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Again, he's literally the same player.
Nope. When you are getting up there discussing between greatest and second greatest and third greatest of all time, lebron gets dinged for leaving to team up with 2 other top 5-10 players. Had he won titles in CLE on first go he would be in the discussion.
Things you do off the court have nothing to do with how good you are on the court, that's basically fact, not really up for debate.
Lebron could choose to play 20 seasons on 20 different teams, and he's still the same exact player, the same exact amount of good as he is now.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:19 am to whatiknowsofar
Maybe the most overrated player of all time.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:21 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:Neither could Jordan.
I don't even like Jordan. Never did. But Lebron will never pass him bc he couldn't get a title without making a super team.
Both couldn't win a title without a super team, only 1 gets dinged.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:26 am to shel311
Jordan hardly had a super team. His first titles were filled with role player kinda guys. And he never admitted defeat and skipped town.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 11:27 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:30 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:55 wins and a 2 seed with the same core the season after the 3 peat, just a ho hum kind of a team filled with role player kinda guys, those teams always put up 55 win seasons.
Jordan hardly had a super team.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:31 am to shel311
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55 wins and a 2 seed with the same core the season after the 3 peat, just a ho hum kind of a team filled with role player kinda guys, those teams always put up 55 win seasons.
Exactly. Scottie Pippen is an all time great.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:37 am to Boomshockalocka
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His first titles were filled with role player kinda guys.
Pippen was just a role player?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:38 am to Tigerfan56
Those teams are all legendary teams who were mostly built through draft and trades...not star players colluding with each other to team up in free agency to form these super teams.
Most of those Lakers and Celtics players from those teams were either acquired in the draft or trades and spent most of there careers there. Even those great Bulls teams...MJ and Kukoc were drafted by the Bulls and Pippen acquired in a draft night trade right after he was picked by the Sonics. Kerr and Rodman were just great role players who fit perfectly with the core of MJ, Pippen and Kukoc.
Patrick Ewing or Reggie Miller leaving in free agency to sign with the Bulls in free agency would be a good comparison to whats happening in the NBA now.
Most of those Lakers and Celtics players from those teams were either acquired in the draft or trades and spent most of there careers there. Even those great Bulls teams...MJ and Kukoc were drafted by the Bulls and Pippen acquired in a draft night trade right after he was picked by the Sonics. Kerr and Rodman were just great role players who fit perfectly with the core of MJ, Pippen and Kukoc.
Patrick Ewing or Reggie Miller leaving in free agency to sign with the Bulls in free agency would be a good comparison to whats happening in the NBA now.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:38 am to Boomshockalocka
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And he never admitted defeat and skipped town
Probably because, I don't know, he had a team capable of winning 55 games and being title contenders even without him.
Don't get me wrong, Jordan is an amazing player. But if you take any 55 win team in history, and add a top 5 player like MJ or Lebron to that core, no fricking shite they're going to cruise to a title.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:46 am to Tigerfan56
In no way were they contenders without Jordan.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:48 am to c on z
Jordan made pippen. The rest of those guys were just your average role player kinda guys. Except for Grant he was a near elite role player.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:49 am to Boomshockalocka
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Nice narrative you got going there.
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Antawn Jamison was a 21/9 kinda guy who was on lebrons last team in CLE then he got hurt the next year. And they hired Byron Scott.
You're stretching hard.
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I can't tell for sure when the almighty Antwaun Jamison got hurt, but from the game log link listing leaders each game, it appears to be around game 58, at which point they were 11-47. If only he didn't get hurt, though, they probably have a stellar finish. Who's the one with the narrative again?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:50 am to Boomshockalocka
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In no way were they contenders without Jordan.
If a 55 win, 2 seed isn't a contender then who is?
Answer: Not ever the Rockets
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:51 am to Tigerfan56
"Bron had no help. That's why he had to leave. 21/9 players grow on trees!" 
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:52 am to Boomshockalocka
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In no way were they contenders without Jordan.
They were the #3 seed in the East and ended up taking the eventual East champion Knicks to 7 games in the 2nd round. I'd say they were contenders.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:53 am to Tigerfan56
A contender is a team who has a legit shot to win a title. Bulls with no Jordan had NO shot. Their record and where they finished in the conference in and of itself doesn't make them a contender.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:54 am to Boomshockalocka
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That magic left when Duncan Parker and manu left their prime.
Except it didn't (RE: 2014)
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