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re: What's wrong with the cavs?
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:37 am to Boomshockalocka
Posted on 1/25/17 at 12:37 am to Boomshockalocka
loling hard when HOU gets that first round exit
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Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:00 am to Fus0623
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LeBron needs a f'n player maker
Yeah, because having a roster with 4 guys who've made all star teams in their careers, plus Tristan Thompson and JR Smith isn't enough play makers for Lebron.
I'm really starting to hate the new era of NBA "super teams" because now crybabies like Lebron whine about not having enough play makers when they have a starting 5 that has 4 current/former all stars and the 5th guy will potentially be an all star in the next few years.
I thought Lebron understood the cap better.....when you load a roster with so many high paid star players in the starting lineup, it doesn't leave much salary cap room for your bench. $84 million of $94 million cap is tied up between LBJ, Kyrie, Love, and Thompson
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:07 am to Tiger Prawn
No delly = no title. We saw the fight they put up in the finals two years ago with delly when love and Irving were out.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:09 am to Boomshockalocka
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We saw the fight they put up in the finals two years ago with delly when love and Irving were out.
The effectiveness of Delly's efforts didn't last long.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:10 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:19 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:Lebron and Kyrie are the only 2 playmakers on the team. I don't really think anyone would ever have considered Kevin Love a playmaker.
Yeah, because having a roster with 4 guys who've made all star teams in their careers, plus Tristan Thompson and JR Smith isn't enough play makers for Lebron.
Tristan Thompson a playmaker? LOL
JR Smith needs someone to pass him the ball for a 3, that's not a playmaker.
Lebron specifically mentioned if he or Kyrie go down for a couple of weeks, they go down to 1 guy on the team who can legit make plays and create for others. I don't see how that's so egregious, it's a pretty solid point.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:46 am to Tiger Prawn
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I'm really starting to hate the new era of NBA "super teams"
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when they have a starting 5 that has 4 current/former all stars
I hate to be the one to ruin the nostalgia :/
1986-1987 Celtics
Starting five
Danny Ainge - Future all star (88)
Dennis Johnson - Former all star (1985), HOF
Bird - Current All star, HOF
McHale - Current All star, HOF
Parish - Current All star, HOF
So 4 current/former all stars with one future all star. Only 4 HOF'ers though. Luckily they had this guy off the bench,
Bill Walton- won 6th man of year, HOF
1986-1987 LA Lakers
Magic, Kareem, James Worthy, AC Green, Micheal Cooper.
Magic, Worthy, Kareem were all all-stars and HOF
AC Green future all star (90)
Cooper won DPOY
1995-1996 Bulls
Starters were MJ, Pippen, Rodman, Harper, Longley. Kukoc and Kerr off bench
MJ and Pippen all stars and HOF
Rodman former all star and HOF
Kukoc won 6th man of year, and Kerr was one of the best 3 point shooters of all time.
You people bitching about the "new era" of super teams, as if every other era didn't have them, are ridiculous
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:49 am to Tigerfan56
There's a difference between management building a teams and the new movement ushered in by Lebron of the best players in the game teaming up to win a try to win a title. And hey once the best player does it(Lebron) that makes it ok for any other player after him to do it. And that's what we saw with KD. Real shame in lebrons case bc he could've been GOAT without that move.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 10:51 am to Boomshockalocka
quote:And that difference is what?
There's a difference between management building a teams and the new movement ushered in by Lebron of the best players in the game teaming up to win a try to win a title
quote:He's literally the same basketball player, no better or worse with or without that move, fwiw.
And that's what we saw with KD. Real shame in lebrons case bc he could've been GOAT without that move.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 10:52 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:00 am to Boomshockalocka
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HOU in 6. Current version of Spurs play Their best ball in the regular season. Not in the playoffs like when Timmy manu tony were in their prime. These aren't those Spurs anymore.
I'll wager any amount of money you want if that series happens. The Spurs still have the best coach in the NBA and a top 5 player in the world on both ends of the floor. LA is still pretty good too.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:01 am to shel311
Nope. When you are getting up there discussing between greatest and second greatest and third greatest of all time, lebron gets dinged for leaving to team up with 2 other top 5-10 players. Had he won titles in CLE on first go he would be in the discussion.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:02 am to Boomshockalocka
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When you are getting up there discussing between greatest and second greatest and third greatest of all time, lebron gets dinged for leaving to team up with 2 other top 5-10 players
Literally the dumbest thing I've ever read.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:03 am to redfishfan
You on 
don't disappear now.
"Best coach in the NBA" got outcoached by a rookie coach and Doc rivers in his last 2 plauoff losses. That magic left when Duncan Parker and manu left their prime.
don't disappear now. "Best coach in the NBA" got outcoached by a rookie coach and Doc rivers in his last 2 plauoff losses. That magic left when Duncan Parker and manu left their prime.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:03 am to shel311
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And that difference is what?
The difference is flawed logic.
If you have great management that surrounds you with a great cast, it's okay for you to play with them.
If you have terrible management and you go on your own to seek a team competent enough to win titles with, it means you're a coward.
There's no rhyme or reason why a player's integrity is tied to the management that surrounds him, whether it be good or bad.
KD's case is different because he left a great team for a better team. Lebron left a shitty cavs team, and he left a Miami team for a worse team (only Kyrie at the time, plus a number 1 pick).
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:04 am to redfishfan
I don't even like Jordan. Never did. But Lebron will never pass him bc he couldn't get a title without making a super team.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:05 am to Boomshockalocka
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gets dinged for leaving to team up with 2 other top 5-10 players.
When Lebron went to Miami/Cleveland, they hadn't acquired Bosh or Love yet.
Isn't that management making moves? Thought that was okay, like Lakers getting Pau and Bulls getting Pippen/Rodman.
Maybe goal posts have changed.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:07 am to Boomshockalocka
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You on don't disappear now. "Best coach in the NBA" got outcoached by a rookie coach and Doc rivers in his last 2 plauoff losses. That magic left when Duncan Parker and manu left their prime.
I assure you I won't. I'm not even a Spurs fan. I'm just a basketball fan and I see that the Spurs are a better team than the Rockets. I'm not blinded by bias.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:07 am to Tigerfan56
Dude we are discussing greatest ever Vs second greatest ever of course you gonna be splitting some pretty fine hairs.
Lebron quit on CLE bc he knew he couldn't win a title there. When talking about the greatest EVER that has to be held against him.
Lebron quit on CLE bc he knew he couldn't win a title there. When talking about the greatest EVER that has to be held against him.
This post was edited on 1/25/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:08 am to redfishfan
Prob thought they would get outta rd 2 last yr too. 
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:09 am to Tigerfan56
Nobody is bringing up the lakers. This is GOAT discussion. Jordan. He never played for the bulls.
Posted on 1/25/17 at 11:11 am to Boomshockalocka
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Prob thought they would get outta rd 2 last yr too.
Yea how dare they lose to a team with 2 top 5 players in the world. I thought they would win that series but I wouldn't have bet on it. Actually before the playoffs started I bet OKC to get to the finals because of the great payout it offered. I was pissed when they collapsed. Cost me some money.
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