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re: What's the actual "tush push" story?
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
Bill Snyder invented it 7 yrs ago and no none else basically even attempted it until the Eagles started doing it again last year, and then everyone in the NFL world (fans and media) acted shocked at how well it worked.
Just like the wildcat, it had been run for years in college (and Gus used it in high school before that) and then the Dolphins used it and the media acted like it was some kind of innovative new thing.
Just like the wildcat, it had been run for years in college (and Gus used it in high school before that) and then the Dolphins used it and the media acted like it was some kind of innovative new thing.
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Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:29 pm to Big Scrub TX
It’s such an advantage only having to get 9 yards on 3 downs instead of 10 because 4th and 1 is automatic
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:36 pm to Eighteen
other teams can run it and have, but none are as successful for whatever reason. Eagles oline or Qb. Dallas ran the same thing and it was close as to whether Dak made it or not. Certainly not the 3 or so yards the Eagles get.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:45 pm to mgdtiger
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Dallas ran the same thing and it was close as to whether Dak made it or not. Certainly not the 3 or so yards the Eagles get.
It didn’t seem exactly the same but I could be misremembering. And Eagles get 2 or 3 on it every time so there has be a secret somewhere that other teams can’t replicate
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:50 pm to Eighteen
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so the success of this is only because of the talent difference of an “all pro” center compared to an average NFL starting center? that doesn’t seem like a gap big enough so that no other team couldn’t replicate
In a game of razor thin margins between winning and losing, that gap is nearly insurmountable, when paired with excellent guards and the strongest quarterback in the league.
Everyone else can try it; everyone else will experience *a* degree of success with it-- but no one else is really going to consistently approach that level of success.
It'd be like you seeing a team with 4 All Pro DBs that was suddenly the best pass defense in the league, and then wondering 'Why doesn't everyone else just do that?'
If it was simple, they would.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:56 pm to BoardReader
I believe the Eagles brought in some rugby consultant to perfect the technique
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:03 pm to Eighteen
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But Hurts isn’t pretending to be a QB on these plays, so you don’t need a freak QB.
No other team can take one of their linebackers or strongest RB and teach them to take a handoff from center and get low and plow?
The OLine talent can’t be that different across the average NFL team
I agree with OP, confused why this can’t be replicated by other teams but I might not fully understand the strategy
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:15 pm to TheWalrus
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It’s such an advantage only having to get 9 yards on 3 downs instead of 10 because 4th and 1 is automatic
Wait until they start running tosses or pass plays from the same formation and scoring 50-yard TDs.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:17 pm to SirWinston
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Did you see Burrow try to run a similar version last night? He almost had his season ended by this monster on the Bills d line.
The Saints unsuccessfully tried it with carr yesterday on 4th and inches.
It would probably work much more effectively with taysom.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
Bush Push should be illegal. It's football, not rugby.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:31 pm to POTUS2024
quote:I've seen people say this but don't really understand the sentiment. Would you please say more? What's bad about team members helping push against the opposing team members?
Bush Push should be illegal. It's football, not rugby.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:51 pm to Big Scrub TX
It's easily replicable by pretty much any team with am
extremely high success rate. These coaches are just too arrogant and stubborn to call it. Always trying to be the smartest guy in the room and end up outsmarting themselves
extremely high success rate. These coaches are just too arrogant and stubborn to call it. Always trying to be the smartest guy in the room and end up outsmarting themselves
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:55 pm to Big Scrub TX
They brought in a Scottish rugby guy and they then perfected it, pretty cool story actually
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:07 pm to RandySavage
quote:This seems like it has a good chance of being true.
It's easily replicable by pretty much any team with am
extremely high success rate. These coaches are just too arrogant and stubborn to call it.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 2:15 pm to Flynn2Byrd
quote:From a rugby perspective it likely comes down to having the offensive linemen driving together vs individually. Basically, stay tight and drive low. It's not about the offensive line winning a 1v1 battle, it's about winning 3v3.
They brought in a Scottish rugby guy and they then perfected it, pretty cool story actually
Even if they get rid of the push, the Eagles will still be extremely successful at the QB Sneak, Hurts usually has the 1st down without any help from the RB.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:01 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
I used to be a hooker back in the day. Its really cool seeing the rugby technique of a scrum used in the nfl
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
The eagles run it over the left A gap every time. Strong QB (that is very comfortable under center), top 3 center, top 3 left guard. They’re the only team in football that boasts all 3. They don’t even require the push from Goedert most of the time
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:34 pm to Eighteen
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they could have another player with strong legs taking snaps under center for these plays
The snap exchange isn’t exactly an easy one. It takes practice.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:37 pm to castorinho
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uh yeah
All other 31 nfl teams’ interior oline is that far inferior than PHI?
I’m with OP. No idea why nobody else can do this.
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:40 pm to Eighteen
quote:Would you want to sub in a guy at a critical point in the game for a center-qb exchange?
No other team can take one of their linebackers or strongest RB and teach them to take a handoff from center and get low and plow?
hell even the Eagles messed up the snap last week.
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