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re: What Happened to Clemson?
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:01 pm to HottyToddy7
Posted on 9/5/23 at 6:01 pm to HottyToddy7
quote:
Even Bama is falling off a little bit because of the Kirby effect.
Bama recruiting rankings
2019 #1
2020 #2
2021 #1
2022 #2
2023 #1
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Posted on 9/6/23 at 8:49 am to Boodis Man
quote:
What Happened to Clemson?
Honestly I think Georgia happened. And to a lesser extent, Florida State and South Carolina aren't slouches either.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:11 am to Boodis Man
Clemson isn't recruiting as well as they have in years' past due to Dabo's refusal to participate in NIL and the Transfer Portal.
Post-NIL
2024 - #15
2023 - #11
2022 - #10
Pre-NIL
2021 - #5
2020 - #3
2019 - #10
2018 - #7
Post-NIL
2024 - #15
2023 - #11
2022 - #10
Pre-NIL
2021 - #5
2020 - #3
2019 - #10
2018 - #7
This post was edited on 9/6/23 at 9:13 am
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:15 am to DBG
quote:
Didn’t hit on anymore elite QBs
Wasn’t klubinak a 5 star?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:45 am to sunnydaze
Simple. They gave a hillbilly $100 million. He predictably went off the rails thinking that he could build a "master race" from within the Clemson family. The rest of the world just saw it correctly as nepotism. The program is as soft as baby butts currently from bottom to top. We will see if they can turn it around, but nobody seems to be able to get through to Dabo, and he turns on those who try.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 9:48 am to sunnydaze
quote:Yes he was. Clemson’s problem is they do not have elite WRs. They do not throw deep anymore. They lived off the 50/50 balls which Hopkins, Watkins, Williams, Higgins, Ross, etc. could catch 80% of the time.
Wasn’t klubinak a 5 star?
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:22 am to Boodis Man
I'm not a neutral observer, but, I do see some patterns.
It's a confluence of things.
1) NiL has produced parity in an area where Clemson legit had a leg up with their money to recruits. Now anyone and everyone are doing what they were once uniquely good at.
2) a lot of coaching attrition over the years. Inability to replace Venables and their offensive system is a major issue
3) lack of generational QB, or difference makers at WR
4) RBs aren't as good as they were. Etienne isn't walking through the clubhouse
5) Dabo hired a great assistant in Riley, but outright said he was brought in to run the "Clemson offense." Let him cook
6) I don't see the D-Line talent that they had during their dominant stretch. It's just not there like it was
It's a confluence of things.
1) NiL has produced parity in an area where Clemson legit had a leg up with their money to recruits. Now anyone and everyone are doing what they were once uniquely good at.
2) a lot of coaching attrition over the years. Inability to replace Venables and their offensive system is a major issue
3) lack of generational QB, or difference makers at WR
4) RBs aren't as good as they were. Etienne isn't walking through the clubhouse
5) Dabo hired a great assistant in Riley, but outright said he was brought in to run the "Clemson offense." Let him cook
6) I don't see the D-Line talent that they had during their dominant stretch. It's just not there like it was
Posted on 9/6/23 at 10:52 am to Boodis Man
WRs are not great and the QB isn't Watson or Lawrence.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:33 am to Boodis Man
Losing key assistants. More competitive recruiting.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:45 am to usc6158
quote:
A string of quarterback busts.
DJU didn’t look all that bad at OREGON state.
quote:
Then couple that with Dabo refusing to adapt to NIL and the portal.
I think this is a very large part.
He also has rarely, if ever, gone outside the box on coordinator hires. That doesn’t explain the current offensive woes, but the complete lack of difference makers on the outside does.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 11:48 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
DJU didn’t look all that bad at OREGON state.
He's not an overall #1 draft pick either though. We can come up with a doezn bullet points that all DO play a factor in some form or another, but the facts are:
-Watson/Lawrence = 93% win percentage and 2 natties
-Everyone else in his career = ~70% win percentage and 0 natties
Posted on 9/6/23 at 2:31 pm to Boodis Man
2 fumbles deep in red zone.
and another fumble.
if they handed off normally they are tied or better.
and another fumble.
if they handed off normally they are tied or better.
Posted on 9/6/23 at 3:12 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
quote:
Dabo gave coordinator jobs to his unqualified buddies
I think this is the biggest factor. All top program will and should have staff turnover. If you staff is doing a good job, they get better opportunities. The top programs replace staff losses with the best and brightest. Clemson has not replaced their staff well and results are clear.
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