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Were the 2023 Texas Rangers really better than the Rangers team that lost to the Cards?

Posted on 12/6/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted by rjokerlsu
Big Spring, TX
Member since Apr 2007
6887 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 3:14 pm
No doubt they played better and got hot at the right time. And their manager Bruce Bochy is headed for the Hall of Fame.

But that team was playing in its second straight World Series. It was a powerhouse team that included Josh Hamilton, Adrian Beltre, Michael Young and Colby Lewis, just to name a few.

Some years after he had retired, I think Al McGuire of Marquette said his only national championship team was not really his best. It was just their year.

So what do you think?
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5844 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 3:16 pm to
2023 Rangers where clutch win it mattered. 2011 Team chocked when i mattered.
Posted by Zoroaster
United States of America
Member since Dec 2023
255 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:21 pm to
They were better coached...
Posted by karmew32
Ponchatoula, LA
Member since Jan 2017
1506 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:35 pm to
People say the same thing about the 2009 Saints compared to the 2011 and 2018 teams, including several players who were on the Super Bowl team.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53746 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:36 pm to
It’s baseball. The best team doesn’t always win. As a matter of fact, as it applies to MLB, I’d venture that the best team doesn’t win (the World Series) about half the time.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10903 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:32 pm to
2010 and 2011 teams were better relative to the competition of the time, especially offensively.

This year was a classic case of a solid but streaky team catching fire and playing unbelievably well on the road.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted by Caimani
Member since Sep 2023
316 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:55 pm to
2023 Rangers played a much weaker opponent in the WS than 2011 team …so yes 2011 was more talented but the manager was an imbecile for keeping Cruz in right field when he had better defensive options on the bench for the final three outs.
Posted by McCaigBro69
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Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:08 pm to
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2023 Rangers played a much weaker opponent in the WS than 2011 team …so yes 2011 was more talented but the manager was an imbecile for keeping Cruz in right field when he had better defensive options on the bench for the final three outs.


So you believe the Rangers were the best team? We can’t believe the system, as is, regularly results in the best team not winning — and then dock a team for beating another pennant winner.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44743 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:41 pm to
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People say the same thing about the 2009 Saints compared to the 2011 and 2018 teams, including several players who were on the Super Bowl team.


I thought their 2011 and 2017 teams were the two best they had under Payton. We were a dropped Julio Jones touchdown pass and a Minneapolis Miracle away from having a Falcons/Saints NFCCG in 2017, which may have broken this website.

Baseball is weird. 1995 was probably the 4th best team the Braves had in the 1990s (1993, 1996, 1998 were all better, IMO), but that was the only one to win a World Series. 2021 was not the best Braves team in this current run, either.

I'm sure some Astros fans would say their 2019 and 2021 teams were better than the 2017 and 2022 World Series winners.
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
20983 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:19 pm to
Weren’t even the best team in 2023. Just got hot at the right time and the better teams just went cold
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
20983 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:20 pm to
That 2019 Astros team was the best Astros team ever. What should have been.
Posted by Mr. Elvert
Dallas
Member since Oct 2012
14975 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

That 2019 Astros team was the best Astros team ever. What should have been


Trash cans made the difference
Posted by The Eric
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2008
20983 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:54 pm to
Rabble rabble.
Posted by karmew32
Ponchatoula, LA
Member since Jan 2017
1506 posts
Posted on 12/6/23 at 10:11 pm to
What makes you put 2017 above 2018? 2018 was the runaway favorite to win the Super Bowl. Despite our offense petering off after the INT return hit Brees took on Thanksgiving, the defense picked up the slack and was the best in football the rest of the season.

In 2017, I felt like we were a year away. In 2018, I knew it was our time to win it.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
23867 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:22 am to
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What should have been.


could’ve been. but it didn’t happen. and now your noisy neighbors are about to spend you out of existence
Posted by volfan30
Member since Jun 2010
40949 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:21 am to
Playoff baseball is a lottery or close to it. 2021 Braves were the 3rd or 4th best team in the current 6 year division title run and the only one to make, let alone win, the WS.

Best team is occasionally also hot at the right time, but the winner of the WS should not be confused with the best team in the sport.
Posted by Obi-Wan Tiger
Fulshear TX
Member since Jan 2004
6810 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:14 am to
MLB was always going to be most affected of the major sports by expanded playoffs. I get that it’s good for business, but the nature of baseball and the relative unimportance of home field makes it a crap shoot once the postseason starts.
Posted by SomewhereDownInTX
Down in Texas, Somewhere
Member since Mar 2010
3318 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:19 am to
The 23 Rangers didn’t have Nelson Cruz playing right field in the bottom of the 9th with the lead.
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15524 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 8:45 am to
If only Adolis had been in right on the 2011 team. Oh well.

World Series champs, baby! Hope y’all are ready for back to back.
Posted by justaniceguy
Member since Sep 2020
5402 posts
Posted on 12/7/23 at 9:53 am to
2014 tcu would have wrecked last years tcu
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