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We are all in agreement that Belichick is going to fail, right?

Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:03 am
Posted by TackySweater
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:03 am
Preface: UNC football hasn’t really been a bastion of success ever really save for a few brief stretches, so maybe they are just looking for a splashy hire to sell tickets and build excitement and get some .500ish seasons together and be happy with that. But I don’t think that’s what Bill wants. He wants what he’s always wanted: control and perfection.

He’s not doing this to help UNC. He just can’t call it quits and he wants to satisfy his ego. He wants power and control and he wanted back in the NFL but nobody wanted him, so he’s grabbing for that power at UNC, since he can’t get back and get it in the NFL now. He wants to coach adults that he has control over with contracts not teenagers that have to be monitored and babysat and that can leave whenever they want but this is the only route he has to get back into high level football.

Much of his offensive success was due to having the best QB in the world. He’s not going to have that at UNC. Is he really going to be the selling point to push high level kids to UNC when college is full of successful younger coaches?

Some of his great NE defenses had mature veterans all over the field. How’s he going to react when teenagers can’t learn his plays quick enough, or miss assignments on the field?

Adding to that, he’s known for putting skill players in the doghouse for non-egregious things. Is he going to do this with less-mature teenagers with fragile egos that will bolt at the first sign of getting their feelings hurt or losing playing time? They aren’t locked in like NFL players that just have to suck it up and try to get better. They can just tell him “ok f you, I’m out.” Can’t see him being able to handle that well and having no control over that whatsoever.

Everyone keeps saying he’s going to be able to hire people to do all the other jobs he doesn’t want to do. Does he have this great track record of making hires in the NFL? Part of his downfall was hiring Matt Patricia to be OC, and after seeing it fail, wanting to bring him back for another year.

Adding to the delegation topic, people keep saying he’s going to delegate pretty much everything to others (NIL, recruiting, scouting, babysitting, etc) so what exactly is he going to be doing? As someone that feeds off power and control and had his hands in EVERYTHING at NE he’s just going to delegate everything out to others now and do nothing? That’s not how control and power-driven people function.

Let’s just say he does relinquish all recruiting to others. How long before he gets pissed with players that he didn’t have a hand in recruiting and turns on his staff and tries to become involved in recruiting? “You told me this kid was great, but he can’t even learn my concepts.”

His drafting history isn’t full of A+ hoemrun picks, and his recent track record has been really shitty. So if he struggled to identify talent coming out of college many times, is it going to be easier to identify HS talent? Theres no way he’s just going to hand this part of it to others and say, “well, ok, I don’t want to recruit, so go find me players.”

So unless a stubborn 72yr old can do a 180 basically on what’s driven him for much of his career, this won’t end the way he wants.
This post was edited on 12/12/24 at 10:30 am
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:05 am to
Only a 3 year contract so worth a try and see what happens
Posted by boston vol
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:06 am to
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Only a 3 year contract so worth a try and see what happens

It’s five years, not three.
Posted by TripleBarrelBluff1
Sin City
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:08 am to
Yeah, I think that's pretty accurate. Would be nice to see him change and evolve and find some success, but it's real damn hard at his age and with his past success.
Posted by coolpapaboze
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:08 am to
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Much of his offensive success was due to having the best QB in the world. He’s not going to have that at UNC.
Max Johnson says hello.


Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:09 am to
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It’s five years, not three.



The Athletic originally reported 3. 5 is much less palatable
Posted by Quidam65
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:12 am to
I'll be concerned if some recruit named "Bom Trady" signs there.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:13 am to
Didn’t Max Johnson go into the portal for the 4th time?

UNC just got the Tulane QB
Posted by Bench McElroy
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:15 am to
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Adding to that, he’s known for putting skill players in the doghouse for non-egregious things. Is he going to do this with less-mature teenagers with fragile egos that will bolt at the first sign of getting their feelings hurt or losing playing time?


This is the biggest thing for me. College players actually have more power than NFL players now with NIL and the portal. Retaining players has become just as important as acquiring players. How many of them will want to deal with Belichick for more than a season before bolting?
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:16 am to
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UNC just got the Tulane QB

I thought he’s going to Duke
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:17 am to
Oh, you’re correct. Got them mixed up
Posted by JimTiger72
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:19 am to
It is the ACC though & they have a fairly easy schedule.

Their toughest road game is probably @ Syracuse.

If Cignetti can make the playoff at IU, so can Bellichick
Posted by KillerNut9
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:19 am to
I’m mainly surprised any NFL HC, especially one of his caliber, would want to deal with the NIL landscape.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:19 am to
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How many of them will want to deal with Belichick for more than a season before bolting?

Yea. And people keep saying, “but he’s not going to be involved with recruiting and retaining players.”

1) that’s complete bullshite because there’s no way he’s just going to relinquish that 100% and not be involved

2) let’s say somehow he does; that leaves the staff to run damage control? “Hey man I know you don’t like the way Coach handles things, but do you think you can just look past that and stick with us?” Especially if they aren’t winning?
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:21 am to
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I’m mainly surprised any NFL HC, especially one of his caliber, would want to deal with the NIL landscape.

Like is said, the talking point is that he will have others in place to handle all that. I just can’t see him giving up control on anything, especially if things aren’t going the way he thinks they should be going.
Posted by WaterLink
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:26 am to
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The Athletic originally reported 3. 5 is much less palatable


Yeah I heard 3 years $30M. If it's 5 years does that mean $50M or is it still $30M?

That still isn't TOO bad, presumably he'll get at least 3 years which would leave a $20M buyout assuming it's all guaranteed. Not as insane as some of the other contracts and buyouts out there.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:31 am to
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Not as insane as some of the other contracts and buyouts out there.

But this is UNC. That aren’t known for big contracts like this I don’t think. It could hurt them down the line.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:33 am to
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We are all in agreement that Belichick is going to fail, right?


I feel like he makes them better. I don't know where the line gets drawn on what would be a failure or not. He's certainly not going to win a national championship but I don't see it being crazy that within 2-3 years they could sniff the playoffs. If I was a UNC fan, that'd be a success.

It's 5 years but I honestly figured it'd be in the contract that by year 5 his son would be the head coach.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:34 am to
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I’m mainly surprised any NFL HC, especially one of his caliber, would want to deal with the NIL landscape.



i think the legalization of payments makes it more attractive in a way. There is less BS than when everything was under the table, you aren't going to get canned because you did the same thing everyone else was doing.

More thinking about coordinator jobs that used to be recruiting heavy and now the recruiting is going to GMs.

UNC apparently agreed to a 20 mil NIl budget, which aligns them with the rest of top. The AD probably realizes they need to pony up to be an attractive realignment candidate.

NC is a talent rich state and near the DMV, and ATL to pull from there.

This could be a trainwreck but it will be entertaining. The schedules are going to be easy enough that they could be a playoff team
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 12/12/24 at 10:35 am to
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1) that’s complete bullshite because there’s no way he’s just going to relinquish that 100% and not be involved


I don't think that's what people mean when they say that. I'm sure he'll know who they're targeting and what the team needs are, etc. He'll be the one that has to sign off and have the final say, it's just he'll have a dedicated staff doing the grunt legwork like making visits and daily contacts and stuff like that. But I don't think anyone thinks he won't be involved with talent acquisition in any capacity whatsoever.

I also don't think this kind of setup in the NIL/portal era is some kind of new thing, most big programs have GMs now and dedicated recruiting staff that aren't position coaches/coordinators. It's kind of industry standard nowadays
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